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| Community Tasting Notes (average 90.6 pts. and median of 91 pts. in 50 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by Winevalue on 4/20/2024 & rated 81 points: Passed its best Time to drink but still Dark red and without bad taste. Last time I tasted a bottle was a lot of years ago and now my stock of this wine is 0. The community opinion is correct. I should have tasted this bottle last year. (97 views) | | | Tasted by liber on 3/24/2024 & rated 92 points: 3rd of 12, opened 45 minutes then decanted 30 minutes, perfect cork and level, nice, precise and pure, well made, attractive but not special, improved in glass and last glass best so may surprise on upside, 12+ years. F (17.5). (213 views) | | | Tasted by liber on 9/11/2023 & rated 92 points: 2nd of 12, opened 30 minutes, perfect cork and level, as March bottle (detailed note here), already attractive but with some unresolved tannin, very Moueix and plush, upside, 15+ years. At least F (17.5).......another attractive 04! (1964 views) | | | Tasted by liber on 3/17/2023 & rated 92 points: 1st of 12, decanted an hour, perfect cork and level - dark but not dense ruby, youthful rim; plum, some mineral, vanilla and cherry, fresh and pure; medium, decent length and persistence, hint of dilution mid palate, nice balance, suave slightly polished fruit a la Moueix, early maturity with clear upside, good for 10+ years. F (17.5). (2265 views) | | | Tasted by jmoon on 1/26/2023 & rated 92 points: drinking well now. prob at peak. no decant needed. quite soft and reasonably fresh. nice easy drinking wine, pretty darn good but not great. (2485 views) | | | Tasted by Sonoffalstaff on 1/1/2021 & rated 92 points: Definitely a case wine on the Hugh Johnson scale! Some good notes below. Medium dark colour, classic nose but restrained as you’d expect from the vintage. Very elegant and well constructed. Still v fresh and limited tertiary notes. I still be drinking this at the end of the decade! (4206 views) | | | Tasted by Beauty Chambolle on 10/12/2020 & rated 93 points: Delicate medium body, polished and silky. After one hour decanted it is an explosion of prunes, honey, licorice and mint on palate. It is fresh, serious and elegant wine, a pleasant feminine touch. It is just a beautiful syrup ready to drink. Can easily keep it 10 more years but I don’t think it is going much further from here. Lovely bottle. (4190 views) | | | Tasted by hargy on 8/24/2020 & rated 92 points: this is by far the best of the 2004's I have drunk - mature with lovely balance and complexity, maybe lacking in length - not sure it will improve much from here though (2729 views) | | | Tasted by colmanstephenson on 2/28/2020: My 2nd of 3
3 hours decanted.
A: Deep and Dark. Youthful
N: Not prominent, but damson and dark fruits. Some tobacco/cedar
P: Impressive body and depth. Plenty of fruit and plenty of life.
Much better then the prior bottlle (2828 views) | | | Tasted by jonanator on 12/25/2019 & rated 93 points: This was drinking incredibly well on Christmas Day. Really outshined the 2004 Leoville Poyferre. Just so much more complexity and depth at this point. Lovely wine. (2887 views) | | | Tasted by Roentgen Ray on 9/15/2019 & rated 88 points: Eh, its not bad, and not memorable either.
I see today the wine searcher price was $175.
your money could be better spent elsewhere.
The fruit is present and not dominant. The acidity leans toward sour. The complexity is lacking. Maybe this bottle is in a dumb phase because the last bottle was singing. (1800 views) | | | Tasted by colmanstephenson on 12/1/2016: A: deep, dark, opaque
N: cigar box and black fruits
P: quite simple. not so complex.
=:drinkable and pleasurable, but I think this will develop interest in the future (5454 views) | | | Tasted by Poisey on 10/3/2015 & rated 88 points: Underwhelming. Just no wow factor to this. Still well made and pleasant. May have a little cork taint. (7275 views) | | | Tasted by Lord Rayas on 3/6/2015 & rated 93 points: decanted for 2hrs. drinking beautifully with lots of finesse. balanced and elegant with no excesses. (8031 views) | | | Tasted by Jeff Leve on 11/30/2014 & rated 91 points: This finesse styled, elegant, soft textured charmer offers plenty of sweet, ripe, dark plums, wet earth and cocoa. (8756 views) | | | Tasted by stephane on 8/20/2014 & rated 89 points: There is no sediment in the bottle and it has a beautiful color. Aroma: I find chocolate and blackberry on the nose. The body is light/medium. The wine has satin-like texture. Quite high acidity.
It is a very nice wine but I find it a bit short and overpriced for the experience (8474 views) | | | Tasted by PanosKakaviatos on 3/10/2014 & rated 89 points: 2004 Bordeaux ... 10 years on (Bordeaux Index London): Soft expression here, almost too polite? There is pleasing freshness but it borders on the Magdelaine like facelessness. The palate is smooth enough, and nuanced. But do rising prices for this wine merit this vintage? Upon subsequent tasting, actually not that bad… more floral and elegant but still rather underwhelming. Merits a 90, but because of its price and pedigree, I decided to knock off a point. (6825 views) | | | Tasted by dionysoslebt_80 on 11/17/2013 & rated 90 points: Bottle okay; "into-neck"; colour: black purple; nose: leather, licorice & blackberries, hints of cumberland-sauce & oak; mouth: soft, silky tannins;good backbone; but limited in its expression and depth; not a great wine, but rather a good one; over-priced in fact concerning this vintage; drink now until 2017. (4956 views) | | | Tasted by Doni.Bertolami on 11/14/2013 & rated 90 points: A little closed at this stage. Below my expectations. (4263 views) | | | Tasted by Yagil on 8/31/2013 & rated 89 points: (at Hugo's)
Dark red black
Requires 2-3 hours in a decanter to rich its optimal drinking point
Rich intense Black fruit and chocolate enjoyable aroma
Full bodied, good acidity, balanced harmony, soft tannins, somewhat lacking texture, nice ending and aftertaste. (4406 views) | | | Tasted by Roentgen Ray on 12/22/2012 & rated 92 points: Really awesome cassis and licorice, this bottle was a step above the last bottle I tasted, and the complexity was there, along with balance. (5448 views) | | | Tasted by Roentgen Ray on 5/28/2012 & rated 91 points: Pretty good, tannins are smooth, oak is there, but moderately integrated. Aromatics are primary and secondary at this point. Solid wine. Drink or hold. Decant is needed at this point, and it will hold for several hours at least. (7391 views) | | | Tasted by Yagil on 11/24/2011 & rated 89 points: (at Butchry de Bariloce)
dark red color,
typical pleasant aroma but still very tight and closed. This wine require an advance uncorking of at least 2 hours; also it requires further aging of 3-5 years. (7519 views) | | | Tasted by sureproof on 10/29/2011 & rated 91 points: Tasted alongside 2004 Far Niente for a horizontal smackdown between new world and old. Big nose with olive and fig overtones. Dark, earthy fruit with great structure and balance. Very long, dry finish. Wine really opened up by the end. Q liked Far Niente better (fruit lover). I liked the complexity and layers of the La Fleur. (7613 views) | | | Tasted by drgrape on 2/28/2011 & rated 91 points: Medium bodied and elegant. Old world and no barnyard. Earthy and just enough fruit without being extracted. This is a very nice wine, but not a good value. (7371 views) | | | Only displaying the 25 most recent notes - click to see all notes for this wine... |
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| Château La Fleur-Pétrus Producer Website (Moueix) - Read more about Chateau La Fleur PetrusRed Bordeaux BlendRed Bordeaux is generally made from a blend of grapes. Permitted grapes are Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Merlot, Petit Verdot, Malbec and rarely Carménère.Today Carménère is rarely used, with Château Clerc Milon, a fifth growth Bordeaux, being one of the few to still retain Carménère vines. As of July 2019, Bordeaux wineries authorized the use of four new red grapes to combat temperature increases in Bordeaux. These newly approved grapes are Marselan, Touriga Nacional, Castets, and Arinarnoa.
Wineries all over the world aspire to making wines in a Bordeaux style. In 1988, a group of American vintners formed The Meritage Association to identify wines made in this way. Although most Meritage wines come from California, there are members of the Meritage Association in 18 states and five other countries, including Argentina, Australia, Canada, Israel, and Mexico.France Vins de France (Office National Interprofessionnel des Vins ) | Pages Vins, Directory of French Winegrowers | French Wine (Wikipedia)
Wine Scholar Guild vintage ratings
2018 vintage: "marked by a wet spring, a superb summer and a good harvest"
2019 vintage reports
2021: "From a general standpoint, whether for white, rosé or red wines, 2021 is a year marked by quality in the Rhône Valley Vineyards. Structured, elegant, fresh and fruity will be the main keywords for this new vintage."
2022 harvest: idealwine.info | wine-searcher.comBordeaux Bordeaux Wine Guide
Vins Bordeaux (Conseil Interprofessionnel du Vin de Bordeaux)
History of Bordeaux
History of 1855 Bordeaux Classification
"2009 is all about ripeness, with wines impressively packed with ripe fruit and high alcohol levels. They are showy, in-your-face, and full of pleasure. The 2010s have the fruit and alcohol levels of the 2009s, but with a compelling freshness on the finish that balances the fruit and provides a perfect sense of structure." - Ben Nelson
"2016 is a landmark vintage in certain spots of Bordeaux and it should be remembered as one of the most inspired campaigns of the last 40-50+ years." -Jon Rimmerman
"The quality of red Bordeaux in 2016 was universally lauded – although the response to the en primeur campaign was muted. Quantity was high too, with the equivalent of 770 million bottles of wine produced. An exceptionally dry summer with cool nights eventually, thanks to mid September rain, resulted in small, thick-skinned, ripe grapes, and the wines are marked by high tannin and acidity, with superb aromatic fragrance." - Jancis Robinson
"2017 was complicated, but there are some excellent wines. Expect plenty of freshness and drinkability from wines that will offer excellent value, and others that will rival 2016 in terms of ripeness and ageability. But they are likely to be the exception not the rule, making careful selection key." - Jane Anson
"In the past, a vintage such as 2022 may have been overripe, raisined and low in acidity but 2022 had a sneaky little reservoir in its back pocket - a near perfect marriage of cool/cold/rain the previous winter and the previous vintage that literally soaked the soils (a key to why 2022 is not 2003...or 1893)." - Jon RimmermanLibournais Libournais (Conseil Interprofessionnel du Vin de Bordeaux) - Read more about St. Emilion and its wines - Read more about Pomerol and its wines
Saint Emilion Grat Classified Growth, Classified Growths, Grands Crus Classes, GCC
In 1954, while the "Graves" growths had just published their own classification, the wine syndicate of Saint-Emilion, composed by wine growers, brokers and wine traders with the approval of the INAO - Institut National des Appellations d'Origine (A.O.C), decided to work on a classification for the wines of Saint Emilion. Initially, four grades were defined. These were reduced to two - First Great Classified Growth (A and B) and Great Classified Growth - in 1984.
As of Medoc's 1855 historical grading, the Saint-Emilion Great Classified Growth classification is not only based on qualitative criteria by tasting the wines on a ten years period previous to the assessment, but also on commercial considerations such as:
- sales price levels
- national and international commercial distribution
- the estate's reputation on the market
Properties who don't manage to join the club of about sixty Classified Growths are given the denomination of Great Growth ("Grand Cru"), while the remaining wineries of the A.O.C are simply reported as "Saint-Emilion". It is to be noted that the owners must officially apply to appear in the official classification. Thus for example the famous Chateau Tertre-Roteboeuf, whose quality and reputation would easily justify to be listed among the First Great Classified Growths, does not appear here by the will of its owner, François Mitjaville.
The Saint-Emilion Great Growth classification was revised in 1969, 1985, 1996 and 2006. The only two guaranteed vintage (A.O.C) who can apply to the classification are the "Saint-Emilion Grand Cru" and "Saint-Emilion" areas.
By grading 61 properties, the 2006 revision confirmed many growths from the former classification, but also caused a number of surprises and a few inevitable disappointments. Many observers thought that the impressive progression of Perse's Chateau Pavie since 1998 would be rewarded by an upgrade into the First Great Classified Growths (A) category, but finally such was not the case.
Among the estates promoted to the First Great Classified Growths B category are Chateau Troplong-Mondot and Pavie-Macquin, whose efforts made since the Nineties fully justify their new grade. It should be noted that no First Great Classified Growth was relegated to the lower Great Classified Growth class.
Promoted growths from the status of Great Growth ("Grand Cru") to Great Classified Growth ("Grand Cru Classe") are: Chateaux Bellefont-Belcier, Destieux, Fleur Cardinale, Grand Corbin, Grand Corbin-Despagne and Monbousquet.
The demoted growths from the status of Great Classified Growth to Great Growth are: Chateaux Bellevue, Cadet Bon, Faurie de Souchard, Guadet Saint-Julien, La Tour du Pin-Figeac (Belivier), La Tour du Pin-Figeac (Moueix), Lamarzelle, Petite Faurie de Soutard, Tertre Daugay, Villemaurine and Yon-Figeac. If the recent samples of some of the above mentioned properties may justify their current downgrade, there are great chances that estates like Bellevue, Tertre Daugay or Yon-Figeac will be upgraded to their previous rankings by the next revision in 2016 as the progresses noted after 2000, but not entering in the range of vintages (1993 - 2002) appointed for the criteria of selection for the 2006 classification, are noticable.
The two following estates have completely disappeared from the Saint-Emilion Grand Cru Classification: Curé-Bon-la-Madeleine (integrated meanwhile to Chateau Canon) and La Clusière (integrated meanwhile to Chateau Pavie).
Finally, no estate considered as "garagiste" has integrated the classification. Valandraud, Mondotte, Le Dome, Bellevue-Mondotte or Magrez-Fombrauge have, for the least, the potential to be ranked as Great Classified Growths. In sight of the very fine quality reached by the above mentioned estates in recent vintages as well as all the innovative wine making methods used by the "garagistes", it remains to be seen whether the authorities will dare to cross the line in 2016..?Pomerol Wikipedia | French wine guide - Read about Pomerol |
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