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No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 10:00:38 AM   
GalvezGuy

 

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Status: offline 		How many of us got the latest e-mail from Cayuse? A majority of the 15s will not be shipped to customers due to bad corks.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 10:07:59 AM   
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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 10:08:50 AM   
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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 10:13:25 AM   
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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 10:27:31 AM   
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Since 1997, we at Cayuse Vineyards have been dedicated to creating world-class wines. We are committed to biodynamic farming and our mission is to produce wine that is the best possible representation of our unique terroir. We simply will not release a wine that doesn't meet our rigorous standards.

Earlier this year, in preparation for the May bottling of many of our 2015 wines, we purchased the highest quality corks from our long time supplier. Despite taking every possible step to ensure that we are crafting the best wines possible, during bottling we discovered paraffin particulates caused by faulty corks.

We stopped bottling immediately and we contacted the cork supplier right away. They told us they knew what the problem was with the first lot of corks and they assured us we could proceed with bottling the rest of the wines using a second separate lot of corks.

After bottling, we checked periodically to be certain there were no problems and to see how the wines were developing. When we discovered the presence of paraffin and an oily film in the wines bottled with the second lot of corks we decided to bring in industry experts to help analyze the wines. Their analysis included a Military-Style Protocol Sampling which confirmed the entire bottling was defective. We agree with the conclusions of the experts and as a result we will not be releasing any of the wines from our May bottling.

We have been working diligently with our insurance company to ensure that each customer receives a full refund for the following wines as soon as possible:
2015 Bionic Frog Syrah
2015 Cailloux Vineyard Syrah
2015 Camaspelo
2015 En Cerise Vineyard Syrah
2015 En Chamberlin Vineyard Syrah
2015 Flying Pig
2015 Impulsivo Tempranillo
2015 Wallah Wallah Special Syrah #8 Magnums
2015 Widowmaker Cabernet Sauvignon
We are devastated at the loss of these wines which includes 2,995 cases (750ml) and 2,678 magnums. As you all know, there is considerable anticipation for the 2015 vintage from Cayuse Vineyards and the wines were outstanding prior to that bottling in May. In March, just two months before that bottling, Jeb Dunnuck of The Wine Advocate tasted barrel samples of these wines and scored them between 93 and 100 points. We are extremely disappointed to have produced such beautiful wines that we are now unable to release.

Not all is lost. The rest of the 2015 vintage (bottled in August 2016 and July 2017) remains pristine. The following wines will be distributed, as planned:
2015 Edith Grenache Rosé
2015 Cailloux Vineyard Viognier
2015 God Only Knows Grenache
2015 Armada Vineyard Syrah
2015 The Lovers
Cayuse Vineyards is passionately committed to creating world-class wines. We thank each of you for your ongoing loyalty, support and understanding. We know that you share our disappointment. Obviously this was beyond our control and we're very sorry.
We really appreciate your ongoing trust.


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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 10:30:56 AM   
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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 10:33:16 AM   
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That is most unfortunate...

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 10:58:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow. This is more like No Soup for Anybody. Admirable in my opinion of Cayuse to cancel an (almost) entire vintage of shipment, but remarkable the cork provider messed this up so badly.

Any news on No Girls, Horsepower?

Who else is possibly affected by using this same lot of corks that will deliver the wines anyway?

I heard a similar story to this in Napa back in January, a winery had a whole lot of bad corks, no seals was their problem discovered after distribution of most of the wine, and they recalled and rebottled ~20,000 cases of white wine. They were fortunate the wine was still okay, but the cost of recall and rebottle had to be adsorbed by somebody, cork company, insurance, or the winery itself.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 10:59:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		that is more like a no soup for anyone... That sucks A LOT.



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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 11:04:34 AM   
lockestep

 

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Status: offline 		Unreal. You see the problem and stop, get a second batch, get the OK to use them.
And then lose the whole batch.
Quick back of the hand estimate of 4.25 million dollars worth of wine.


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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 11:06:18 AM   
Slye

 

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Status: offline 		Yeah -- what a blow to them. Though I must say I am impressed that they are handling it the way they are. I assume the cork producer and/or insurance will cover their losses. In the long run it is smart customer service on their part (which has always been my experience with Cayuse).

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 11:16:55 AM   
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Yeah -- what a blow to them. Though I must say I am impressed that they are handling it the way they are. I assume the cork producer and/or insurance will cover their losses. In the long run it is smart customer service on their part (which has always been my experience with Cayuse).


Agree, admirable choice on their part. Now comes the even harder part - getting the $$ to send us the refunds.

I wonder if it is worth the effort to save the bottles? Anybody know what one of these heavier Syrah bottles costs?

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 11:28:01 AM   
Slye

 

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Status: offline 		That is a good point about the bottles. I don't see why they could not reuse them.

I also wonder if the wine is irretrievably bad or whether they sell it to the generic wine market, or make a separate label, or who knows? I guess it depends on the effect of the paraffin on the wine. Some commentators on Wineberserkers think it would not be dangerous to drink -- which of course does not answer the question if it tastes pleasant or not.

Still, I feel bad for them. A lot of work gone down the drain (I did not intend the pun, but will take it).

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 12:19:02 PM   
WineGuyCO

 

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Status: offline 		Might be time for Cayuse screw tops???? Seems like this is something that shouldn't happen this day and age.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 12:59:11 PM   
ChrisinCowiche

 

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Anybody know what one of these heavier Syrah bottles costs?
I estimate in the range of ~$1.50 a piece when bought by the pallet. Costs more to ship them empty individually than to buy new glass. And recycle handling costs are more than the bottle too.

I bought a pallet of mid weight Burgundy shape for $6.50/case plus shipping from Westside this fall, less than half what premium bottles cost and still more than some. My math on the glass has convinced me it is easier and much cheaper to buy new than recycle anything that has ever seen any wine, glue, cork, seal, etc... after doing both previously.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 1:04:44 PM   
ChrisinCowiche

 

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Status: offline 		I believe a paper or resin filter following a bit of a chill would easily remove paraffin, and oil. But dumping bottles, then reblending and bottling would incur expense, and final product would for sure have a different profile vs. "normal" bottling then aging aging. There might be soluble organics that would be harder to remove and developing a selective RO membrane to target unwanted compounds vs. good wine flavors would be elusive to say the least.

We do this at my day job with fruit juices, but our apples are bit easier to replace than Rocks Syrah.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 1:10:30 PM   
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Might be time for Cayuse screw tops????

Rick


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Would so love to see that.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 2:13:24 PM   
mye

 

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Status: offline 		Major bummer... Impressed with the way they handled it..

silver lining- unexpected wine fund opens up..

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 2:17:41 PM   
dsGris

 

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 2:40:45 PM   
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A new Mystery wine coming soon to an etailer near you.


I guess if you see "waxy" in the critic's description you know it's 2015 Cayuse.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 2:54:26 PM   
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Major bummer... Impressed with the way they handled it..

silver lining- unexpected wine fund opens up..


Exactly my thought. Going to try to resist and not use it to purchase more!

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 2:57:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Waxy and oily -- similar to the descriptions of some Rieslings. Perhaps the mystery wine will be described as "a red from a cult winery that crosses over the heretofore impenetrable divide between Syrah and Riesling." There will of course be more hyped up and flowery language.....

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 3:46:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Slye


quote:

ORIGINAL: mye

Major bummer... Impressed with the way they handled it..

silver lining- unexpected wine fund opens up..


Exactly my thought. Going to try to resist and not use it to purchase more!


That's a VERY bad idea. The Wine Gods might smite you for redistributing funds that were already earmarked for wine purchases to any other area, even savings. I think mye has the right idea - simply buy another producer's product. Much safer that way since there's no risk of a stray lightning bolt frying you.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 4:23:17 PM   
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Waxy and oily -- similar to the descriptions of some Rieslings. Perhaps the mystery wine will be described as "a red from a cult winery that crosses over the heretofore impenetrable divide between Syrah and Riesling." There will of course be more hyped up and flowery language.....


Paging Jon Rimmerman...paging Jon Rimmerman...

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 6:45:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CranBurgundy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Slye


quote:

ORIGINAL: mye

Major bummer... Impressed with the way they handled it..

silver lining- unexpected wine fund opens up..


Exactly my thought. Going to try to resist and not use it to purchase more!


That's a VERY bad idea. The Wine Gods might smite you for redistributing funds that were already earmarked for wine purchases to any other area, even savings. I think mye has the right idea - simply buy another producer's product. Much safer that way since there's no risk of a stray lightning bolt frying you.


Oh dear. Lions and tigers and bears, oh no!

Heading to winesearcher immediately! :-)

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/25/2017 8:30:49 PM   
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RE: No Soup For You - 10/26/2017 1:01:03 AM   
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Waxy and oily -- similar to the descriptions of some Rieslings. Perhaps the mystery wine will be described as "a red from a cult winery that crosses over the heretofore impenetrable divide between Syrah and Riesling." There will of course be more hyped up and flowery language.....


A little bit of off topic here, but actually that "impenetrable divide" has been already crossed before!

One of my friends who works in the wine business said that at some point in the early 2010's there were a few producers from Chile who made Syrah wines that showed very prominent and unmistakably Riesling-like petrol character. Served blind in opaque black glasses, you'd first guess would be a petrolly Riesling, not a Syrah.

We thought the culprit might be commercial yeasts. It is not a secret that most Chilean wineries are using commercial yeasts, which is why practically all the red wines from Chile taste like Cabernet Sauvignon, no matter what grape variety the wines are made from. We assumed that there must have been some kind of mix-up with the yeast packets there, and a "Riesling yeast" culture that accentuates petrol aromas in the wine was packaged into a packet labeled for red wine yeast cultures. At least that would be the most ligical explanation how and why some Syrah wines from a handful of producers would suddenly become Rieslings in one or two vintages.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/26/2017 6:56:30 AM   
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Here is the bulk of the email I just received.

Since 1997, we at Cayuse Vineyards have been dedicated to creating world-class wines. We are committed to biodynamic farming and our mission is to produce wine that is the best possible representation of our unique terroir. We simply will not release a wine that doesn't meet our rigorous standards.

Earlier this year, in preparation for the May bottling of many of our 2015 wines, we purchased the highest quality corks from our long time supplier. Despite taking every possible step to ensure that we are crafting the best wines possible, during bottling we discovered paraffin particulates caused by faulty corks.

We stopped bottling immediately and we contacted the cork supplier right away. They told us they knew what the problem was with the first lot of corks and they assured us we could proceed with bottling the rest of the wines using a second separate lot of corks.

After bottling, we checked periodically to be certain there were no problems and to see how the wines were developing. When we discovered the presence of paraffin and an oily film in the wines bottled with the second lot of corks we decided to bring in industry experts to help analyze the wines. Their analysis included a Military-Style Protocol Sampling which confirmed the entire bottling was defective. We agree with the conclusions of the experts and as a result we will not be releasing any of the wines from our May bottling.

We have been working diligently with our insurance company to ensure that each customer receives a full refund for the following wines as soon as possible:
2015 Bionic Frog Syrah
2015 Cailloux Vineyard Syrah
2015 Camaspelo
2015 En Cerise Vineyard Syrah
2015 En Chamberlin Vineyard Syrah
2015 Flying Pig
2015 Impulsivo Tempranillo
2015 Wallah Wallah Special Syrah #8 Magnums
2015 Widowmaker Cabernet Sauvignon
We are devastated at the loss of these wines which includes 2,995 cases (750ml) and 2,678 magnums. As you all know, there is considerable anticipation for the 2015 vintage from Cayuse Vineyards and the wines were outstanding prior to that bottling in May. In March, just two months before that bottling, Jeb Dunnuck of The Wine Advocate tasted barrel samples of these wines and scored them between 93 and 100 points. We are extremely disappointed to have produced such beautiful wines that we are now unable to release.

Not all is lost. The rest of the 2015 vintage (bottled in August 2016 and July 2017) remains pristine. The following wines will be distributed, as planned:
2015 Edith Grenache Rosé
2015 Cailloux Vineyard Viognier
2015 God Only Knows Grenache
2015 Armada Vineyard Syrah
2015 The Lovers
Cayuse Vineyards is passionately committed to creating world-class wines. We thank each of you for your ongoing loyalty, support and understanding. We know that you share our disappointment. Obviously this was beyond our control and we're very sorry.
We really appreciate your ongoing trust.



I'm speechless. F*ck...

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/26/2017 8:29:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kudos to the Cayuse team for treating this the way they have and making a tough decision. Like others, I'm disappointed, but I'm also pretty stoked to see an unexpected refund come through (at some point...not sure when)! I'm glad I have three GOK coming, however, as that apparently missed this batch of corks.

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RE: No Soup For You - 10/26/2017 3:40:02 PM   
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Stunning. As others have commented, this must have been a difficult decision for the winery to make, but certainly a classy one. Even if they're fully insured against this, it must be tremendously painful.

Someone up-thread asked about Horsepower & No Girls. I'm on both of those lists (but not Cayuse) and haven't received any notification that they were affected.


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