penguinoid
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ORIGINAL: penguinoid You mean the wines made from purchased grapes from all over Bordeaux that some of them make -- such as Mouton Cadet? Yeah, I've never been tempted to try these. (Though someone I used to know once referred to Mouton Cadet as 'trainee sheep', which I found quite amusing! ) I was thinking of things like Bordeaux de Gloria. Latour used to be my favourite 1er, being a relative oddball but with quality all the way and a standout in poorer years. It's a standout in the secondary labels as well I'd rather not think of trainee sheep or even MC, but there were a couple of years in the 70's/80's that it was a decent wine. Not what I was thinking of, it has been around for decades, even before the first "second labels" I wasn't aware of Bordeaux de Gloria, but it seems the same sort of idea as Mouton Cadet, Clarendelle de Haut Brion, etc -- Bordeaux AOC wines made by a famous estate but not from their own vineyard? As you said, that's a completely different kettle of fish to second or third wines. To confuse matters, I think Mouton Cadet started as a second label for Mouton Rotschild, starting from a few disastrous vintages that Philipe de Rothschild felt didn't live up to the Mouton Rothschild name. At some point, they started using purchased grapes instead. I tend to look out for second wines and even third wines from reputable estates, but they're not popular here and hence hard to find.
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