noppakit s.
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You are just showing off. Ok, you have deep pockets.
So now tell me something I can't learn from reviews on the WA and WS sites. For example: what did Robert Parker get wrong?
Good question !!!
I used to be a big fan of RP and I used to believe in what he said. He started with good reviews and great book " Bordeaux " but what did he get wrong.
Once he tasted some sleeping wines and the wines didn't perform any good things then he rated those wines 60-75/100. That's big mistake.
For example : Mouton Rothschild 1973, I got this bottle from Swiss friend and I believe it's too bad to drink. I kept the wine until I just want to know how bad it is. I took it to drink with Japanese friend in Bangkok.
It was very beautiful like Burgundy, sweet and smooth with long finished. My sommelier friend rated 93/100. Surprise !!!
I went back to Zurich and bought 6 bottles more. I tasted it again and again. Some bottles I rated 89-90/100 but the best bottle can be reached 94/100.
RP's mistake was he never went back to taste those wines again after he put the words " Serious decline " on them.
Latour 1970 used to get 99/100 but recently it was 89/100. I know what happened when I heard that. During 2005-2008, Latour 1970 went to a deep sleep and started to wake up in 2009. I rated 99/100 when I tested it in May 2010.
I don't have much things to do except testing the wine (not tasting), I don't drink good wines with food just snack or a piece of bread. I'm keep on drinking and testing Mouton Rothschild from 1970-2000 and I found out that 1972 is not good but can not confirm. I should do the 2nd testing to make sure.
What did RP get wrong ?
I understand that he doesn't have enough time to enjoy a whole bottle at the moment but it's good that we all have this website to share our opinions.
I was wrong and made many mistake too until now I believe that every bottle of wine has its prime time. If we drink it at the right moment then we can rate it. It's not fair to give the score on the under performance of each wine.
1st Growth is 1st Growth : Always great and longevity.
" Trust Your Instinct "
This has been talked about a lot on the forum and other boards, but you have to understand R. Parker is not a fan of aged wines. The guy has been drinking young wines from Barrel Samples and then again after its ready to be released in the bottle for so long it has become an acquired taste. There is nothing wrong with this as all of our palates change over time, but this is his occupation and life. James Suckling is similar. Tanzer doesn't predict the future of the wines down the road, he gives you what is in the bottle in front of him. Now Tanzer is starting to re-drink wines he tasted on release after much criticism about this, though I believe its one of the best to trust, on how the wine is now, compared to a palate that likes the young and aged bottles. RP, and JS, know based on experience what wines should do based on their primal components, but this has taken time. I don't go with them on older vintages before '82, period. I don't go with WA on Burgs, most of the time, and I disagree with WS (Bruce) on most wines. I do like Parkers predictions to some point, but scale it back a bit. I like many of Sucklings predictions too, just not on Super Tuscans.
If you understand where they are coming from, with all those initial tastings, then you can go on from there. Its like drink freshly roasted coffee at the source vs. bought from the stores. Totally a different experience, and those who learn to like the freshly dried then roasted, almost alwasy buy their own roasters, and get a bit fanatical about coffee. That's just where their tastes have taken them. I use peple I know that have similar palates on the forum, for older bottles, and the guy at my local who has been going to Bdx since 1967 is a great resource. He does like young wines too, but prefers aged. After selling his stock out to Wegmans, his house is still stuffed with old Bordeaux and Burgundy. The guy is 80 and keeps the house filled, even though he entertains frequently. I have yet to get the personal invite, but he does a raffle every year, for charity and takes a couple with him on one of his tasting trips to Bordeaux, Burgundy and Champagne. You can't buy that kind of experience, but loads of people buy raffle tickets just for the hope and for the charity to a local camp for special need kids.
Don't misunderstood.
I'm trying to say a logical thing. If you're the owner of 1st Growth wine then you have to keep standard of your wine even from the bad vintage. If you want to make it, you have to try very hard to sell with positive than negative feedback.
Like Petrus some vintage never been produced.
And I'm trying to talk about life of wine. It's opened and closed every 3-5 years as I've been following to drink many wines once a year. Even the manager of Ch.Palmer told me about that when I visited Bordeaux in 2006.
The point is, if the wine closed or sleep, it will be opened up or wake up again. Don't judge or give it a bad score by only 1 sip or only drinking 1 bottle.
If the wine was bad at that moment, we must come back to it again in next few years.
That's logic.
Grand Cru is Grand Cru and First Growth is First Growth.
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I'm not sure that we can talk everything here but let's say... if RP visits any Chateau in Bordeaux and he wants to drink something, the owner must bring those wines to him. If not, the score of that wine for the next vintage will be terrible.
I think you all know which Chateau I'm talkin' about.
A great wine from the great vintage with new technology.
How it becomes quite bad in score ???
Now I appreciate all the bottles.
Every wine has its prime time and pride.
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...Dedicated to Chateau Lafite Rothschild 1984...
" You picked the grape at the perfect time, Great."
Cheers !!!
ps. Oh! PP...we are two of a kind, LOL. 
< Message edited by noppakit s. -- 2/20/2013 12:15:14 AM >
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