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CHARLESTON OFFLINEORAMA III - 9/22/2013 6:11:54 PM

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Semel in anno licet insanire (Once a year everyone is allowed to go crazy)—Latin proverb
18-21 Sept.

FRIDAY-SUNDAY LOCATION, Kings Courtyard Inn, King Street, Historic District
http://www.kingscourtyardinn.com/

INTRODUCTORY SESSION--GRAND CRU BURGUNDY THURSDAY
http://www.reddrumrestaurant.com
1990 and/or 1993 Veuve Clicquot La Grande Dame Champagne--PSirah Tampa
1995 Domaine Robert Arnoux / Arnoux-Lachaux Romanée St. Vivant (Magnum)--atkinson_b1
1995 Domaine Comte Georges de Vogüé Musigny x 2--ericindc/Hellowine
1993 Domaine Ponsot Clos de la Roche Vieilles Vignes x 2--mclancy10006
2005 Domaine Comte Georges de Vogüé Bourgogne Blanc (Musigny Blanc) x 2--S1

SESSIONS ONE AND THREE—LATE AFTERNOON TASTING AT THE INN
leftovers(?) plus
2008 Dauvissat-Camus Chablis Les Clos x 2--atkinson_b1
1995 Krug Champagne Vintage Brut--atkinson_b1
1983 Karthäuserhof Eitelsbacher Karthäuserhofberg Burgberg Riesling Auslese x 2--S1/S2 tag team
2004 Didier Dagueneau Pouilly-Fumé Pur Sang (Magnum)--DoubleD1969

SESSION TWO--STEAKS AND SYRAH)
http://hallschophouse.com/
8:00 p.m.
$95 pp + +
Appetizer Cheese Plate
Choice of:
She Crab Soup/Low Country Fried Green Tomato
Simple Green Salad
Choice of Entrée:
8 oz. Filet Mignon/12 oz. Prime NY Strip/Chicken Breast/Salmon Filet
Pepperjack Creamed Corn and Collard Greens
Bread Pudding with Whiskey sauce
2008 Saxum Bone Rock James Berry Vineyard x 2--S2/S1 tag team
2005 Colgin Syrah IX Estate x 2--mc2wines
1982 Penfolds Grange x 2--mclancy10006
2006 Sine Qua Non Syrah Raven Series x 2--Atkinson_b1
Mark has offered 95 La Turque as a supplement if necessary unless anyone else chimes in

SESSION FOUR—DINNER
http://www.circa1886.com/
$90 pp + +
Smoked Trout and Turnip Flan, Licorice Lacquer, Candied Chestnut, Espelette Pepper
Mushroom Potato Hash, Duck Prosciutto, Coffee Syrup, 64 Degree Egg, Fried Sage
Chicken Fried Salmon, Chèvre “Mac n Cheese”, Port Reduction, Haricot Vert Salad
Antelope Au Poivre, Yellow Corn Grits, Baby Spinach, Maple-Carrot-Cherry Glaze, Cabernet-Guinness Onion Ring
Pan Seared Banana Cake, Tropical Fruit Salsa, Coconut Milk Sherbet, Strawberry Coulis

1976 Mantlerhof Kremstal Grüner Veltliner Spätlese Spiegel x 2--S1
NV Jacques Selosse Champagne Rosé x 2--mc2wines
2001 Cos d'Estournel x 2--PSirah Tampa
1986 Château Latour (Magnum)--ericindc/Hellowine
2005 Domaine du Pégaü Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée (Magnum)--PSirah Tampa
1980 Château d'Yquem x 2--mc2wines
I have offered 08 Raveneau Butteaux if chef wants it

Atkinson_b1 (Thursday and Friday only)
DoubleD1969 (Friday and Saturday only)
ericindc +Hellowine
mc2wines + mc2wines
mclancy10006 +1
PSirah Tampa +1
S1 +1
S2 +1 (Probably Friday only)

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/22/2013 6:34:27 PM

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So jumping straight in....

We're going to source another old D'Yquem since those are so fantastic and we need some good stickies to end a meal. Pretty much all I can guarantee at this point is it won't be the '89 again, but will keep you posted.

For the second wine thinking an SQN or a Grange. I think we might also source an older Chris Ringland, but given the pricing on those that might be a singleton and therefore not part of the formal tasting for us. Also very possible we'll be doing another round on Cali cabs since my money is on us ending up in Napa again at some point (although not right before).

I'll have to consult my Burg expert again before we declare there.

Putting a hold on the calendar.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/22/2013 6:56:41 PM

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Yep, I'm in!

PM sent

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 7:52:27 AM

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PM Sent ... Hoping I make the cut

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 8:13:18 AM

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As far as early declarations:

I'm game to bring another White Burg for Burg Thurs, will start looking for something suitable along the lines of the Montrachet from this year. Reserve the right to bring DRC if I find a good deal

Love Syrah and Steak. Definitely can bring SQN again, and could do Saxum and Lillian Blue Labels easily as well. Could always make that just a full up SQN lineup as well

A few suggestions for the afternoon sessions: First Growth Bordeaux, Premier CdP, German Riesling, and/or doing an adversarial style tasting...First Growth Bord vs CA Cult Cab, or any other other matchups that we could think of along those lines.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 4:09:08 PM

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Wow ever the eager beaver huh S1?

So IMHO for the afternoons and evenings the double up 750s or mags with 6 wines per session is the way to go. The 13 wines from WA while tasty was a bit much for afternoon session.

+1 on the Syrah and steak deal. I think the side by side to have a bit more contrast in the tasting panel might be worthwhile for one afternoon session.

-Mark

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 4:12:47 PM

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I'm in +1

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 5:12:09 PM

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most people who have replied feel that even 100 is too low so I'll start looking for that 2rd job.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 6:03:25 PM

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And we're talking a secondary market minimum price, not release price minimum, right?

So obviously, if you have something like a bottle of '92 Screagle that you bought for $50 on release, that is certainly welcome

It's not so much about the minimum value as it's about the wine, but some kind of threshold has to be set. At the end of the day, the top wines from top producers from top regions just aren't cheap.

And I think this is definitely a 'special wine' event, so bring some of those special bottles that you've been sitting on, for some TBD special occasions, that you can never actually decide on. Or source one of those 'dream' wines you've always wanted to try, but never had a real reason. This offline is a great reason and the perfect occasion.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 6:34:22 PM

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Sounds like a great event. Add me to the list!

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 8:48:06 PM

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I hope this becomes an annual if not bi-annual event S1! One of these years I will attend one.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 8:50:54 PM

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quote:

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most people who have replied feel that even 100 is too low so I'll start looking for that 2rd job.

How much wine did you drink this weekend?

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 9:15:32 PM

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I've replied and declared. 1996 DP. for sure. Possibly a pair of 1945 Maury, as I can seem to really enjoy the ports without some wood to keep them balanced. I also pairs have '06 Ornellaia and a few others that could come in to play. I will most likely only bring 2 pair of wines to the regular Friday-Saturday sessions, and something to BT of course.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/23/2013 11:26:27 PM

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Perhaps we can have smaller, or choices in the afternoon. That might take the burden of a pair or magnums off, with the exception of dinners. I would like to have the option of lighter styles of wine in the warm afternoons. Full throttle reds can have serious palate fatigue, which should come into play with the host of amazing dinner wines and foods.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 5:27:57 AM

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You can count on M/M Bob in NC to be perpetual participants.

I agree with Dave's comment:

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ORIGINAL: champagneinhand

I would like to have the option of lighter styles of wine in the warm afternoons. Full throttle reds can have serious palate fatigue, which should come into play with the host of amazing dinner wines and foods.

I think some big reds for the afternoon is great; but some high end whites would be wonderful and help save our palates for the dinner event.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 6:43:09 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: champagneinhand

I would like to have the option of lighter styles of wine in the warm afternoons. Full throttle reds can have serious palate fatigue, which should come into play with the host of amazing dinner wines and foods.

I think some big reds for the afternoon is great; but some high end whites would be wonderful and help save our palates for the dinner event.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking when I threw out German Riesling for an afternoon session...Get a great lineup of old to young, lower alcohol, Rieslings for a warm Charleston day

Can even make it all Gold Caps or something! Or maybe a lineup of CA and French Chard or just whites in general. Whatever it is, I think something lower in alcohol is in order before the Steak and Syrah dinner!

Of course, watch, it will be highs in the 50s or something next year....

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 7:21:50 AM

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There aren't too many whites that are above $100. So you guys are limiting yourselves to mostly white 'Burgs. There are some Loire and Bordeaux producers that carry the price tag. Okay, never mind ... forgot my point.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 7:54:43 AM

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Rieslings can help solve the problem of "> X Dollars per bottle" but can be palate-fatiguing in their own right, IMO, especially when they are Legion. Intense wines, in their own right.

Totally agree on the whites, in theory and in principle. My wife and I drink more whites than reds, overall.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 8:21:14 AM

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Anything will be palate fatiguing when presented in 80 degree temps with only one or two glasses to taste with. IF everything didn't start tasting the same I'd be really surprised.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 9:26:01 AM

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I figure since we (mostly!) handled CA Cult Cabs and Top Flight WA in the afternoons this year, we can handle anything

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 9:43:54 AM

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23, possibly 24 IN so far...

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 9:56:39 AM

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wow, that was quick...

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 1:56:09 PM

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quote:

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wow, that was quick...

If we had read the notes on those and not participated I'm pretty sure we'd be kicking ourselves right now... that was a pretty amazing weekend!

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/24/2013 2:06:32 PM

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at this point it will either need to be multiple sessions or waiting list
HOLY CRAP

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/25/2013 7:03:25 AM

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I wish I could come (with a case of QC).

Alas, as long as this remains on the 3rd weekend of September, I won't get a chance. Unless the Cherokee County School Board eliminates fall break.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 9/26/2013 3:19:12 AM

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 11/19/2013 1:52:43 PM

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http://www.cntraveler.com/daily-traveler/2013/10/charleston-south-carolina-number-one-city-in-the-united-states

I think it's because of us

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 11/19/2013 2:44:08 PM

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There aren't too many whites that are above $100. So you guys are limiting yourselves to mostly white 'Burgs. There are some Loire and Bordeaux producers that carry the price tag. Okay, never mind ... forgot my point.

To the contrary, there are many white Rhones out there that should compete for your attention (courtesy of WS, with their scores, and release prices):

M. Chapoutier Ermitage White L'Ermite.... 2010...99 ...$560
M. Chapoutier Ermitage White L'Ermite... 2009...99...$560
M. Chapoutier Ermitage White L'Ermite... 2006...99...$210
Jean-Louis Chave Hermitage White...2010...99...$300
Jean-Louis Chave Hermitage White ...2006...99...$240
M. Chapoutier Ermitage White Le Méal... 2009...98...$220
Jean-Louis Chave Hermitage White...2009...98...$350
M. Chapoutier Ermitage White de l'Orée...2010...97...$220
M. Chapoutier Ermitage White de l'Orée...2009...97...$220
M. Chapoutier Ermitage White de l'Orée...2006...97...$205
M. Chapoutier Ermitage White Le Méal...2010...97...$220
M. Chapoutier Ermitage White Le Méal...2006...97...$245
E. Guigal Ermitage White Ex Voto...2009...97...$258
Paul Jaboulet Aîné Hermitage White La Chapelle...2010...97...$336
Georges Vernay Condrieu Coteau de Vernon...2006...97...$125
Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape White Vieilles Vignes...2011...96...$195
Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape White Vieilles Vignes...2010...96...$195
Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape White Vieilles Vignes...2006...96...$182

......this list could could continue for quite a distance. Note that the a number of the wines above might not be in their optimum drinking window now, but older vintages of those same wines should fill the role nicely. Don't ignore Rhones.

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RE: CHS III, a trial baloon - 11/19/2013 4:10:02 PM

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Oh, I say, Kyser, do be a good fellow and retrieve the boys another La Tache...

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RE: CHARLESTON OFFLINEORAMA III - 11/19/2013 5:53:12 PM

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Just to throw a monkey wrench in your works... Cayuse and Saxum don't meet your #2 rule as release prices are sub $90 or right at $90...

Your welcome!

. Haha.

Already looking like an amazing offline to come. And I know the secondary market prices far exceed the value.

quote:

ORIGINAL: S1

Well, we’ve completed another immensely successful get together. My students will tell you that after a successful event I will say, “Be happy but NEVER be satisfied!”

We do not want this to be perceived an elitist event, but it WILL BE an elite event.
Probably the same weekend as this year--3rd weekend in Sept.

Semel in anno licet insanire (Once a year everyone is allowed to go crazy)—Latin proverb
So we need to have a plan since many of us have to source wines for this event (and I have a relatively short shipping season here). We need to make sure that all holes are filled and that wines follow a logical progression. If you don’t have appropriate wines in your collection you must be willing to source. For the previous two events several attendees and I had to source extra wines to fill holes in the lineup. I would like to avoid that little financial hit next year. Rather than have themed tastings, I would like to plan interesting wines which can be arranged in fun flights for the afternoons, BUT, all wines must meet the "collectible" standard. Plan to spend a C-note—QPRs don’t belong (idea provided by a very wise and active forum member with lots of experience organizing offline events). I know that some people don’t like to discuss money but that gives us a really good starting point. I don’t drink 100+ dollar wines everyday but at this offline, where I spend a bazillion dude hours researching and planning, I must insist that the effort on the wines match the effort of the planning. If your personal buying ceiling is below 100, you either need to raise it or choose not to participate. Apply the same pricing regulations to any “extra” bottles you throw in the Wine Check at the last minute. .

FRIDAY-SUNDAY LOCATION, Kings Courtyard Inn, King Street, Historic District
http://www.kingscourtyardinn.com/
I will get Linn to work up a price for next year.

THE GROUND RULES
1. Each participant/couple must provide AT LEAST two identical bottles or a magnum of wine for one afternoon session and one dinner. No singletons allowed unless our numbers are below 20 participants. Feel free to post a singleton in this thread and see if someone will tag team another identical bottle a complete the pair.
2. The wines must be $100+ per 750ml bottle (including your add on bottles). Obviously a hundred buck magnum does not fit.
3. WE GOTTA HAVE SOME WHITES. We need them for dinners; we need them for 85 degrees in the Charleston September sun.

INTRODUCTORY SESSION--GRAND CRU BURGUNDY THURSDAY
Interest far exceeds capacity at Chez S1.
I will discuss the event with Chef Ben--he's a Burg slut like I am.
http://www.reddrumrestaurant.com
For this event, a hundred bucks per bottle really does even begin to meet the standard (look at this year’s lineup and start sourcing). Please note that great GC Burgundy needs age and lots of it.
For Burg newbies, read Clive Coates and look at the three-star producers.

SESSION ONE—AFTERNOON TASTING AT THE INN
Declare and I will organize the wines

SESSION TWO--STEAKS AND SYRAH)—http://hallschophouse.com/
Choose for this list, or add something better!
Alban “Reva” or “Lorraine” I can contribute a singleton of 2005 Lorraine or 2006 Reva if someone wants to tag team.
Bionic Frog (with some age)
Colgin Syrah IX
Grange
Lillian “Blue Label” (2007 x 2--mindmuse)
Reynvaan “Stonessence”
Saxum “Bone Rock” S2 and I are planning to tag team.
Sine Qua Non
TOP Côte Rôtie (these will far exceed 100 bucks for sure)
TOP Hermitage(ditto)

SESSION THREE—AFTERNOON TASTING AT THE INN
Declare and I will organize the wines

SESSION FOUR—CIRCA 1886 DINNER
Declare and I will organize the wines

Sold out unless people drop out.
Atkinson_b1 +1?
Bob in NC +1
champagneinhand +1?
drycab +1
f22nickell +1?
Jack (local for now) +1
mc2wines + mc2wines
mclancy10006 +1
mindmuse +1
Old Doug
pdhall
PersonalWino +1
S1 +1
S2 +1
Tim (local again, soon) +1

We are overwhelmed and humbled by the response to our event. Any other interested parties send me a PM and we will add you to our wait list. We hope to be able to offer you an allocation as space opens on our active list.

(sorry, but this IS a wine forum)