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What hath CT wrought? - 10/15/2023 1:40:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tasted a 2021 St. Cosme CDR today and posted a note while thinking about Pierre sitting at a zinc wine bar in Lyon quaffing it as an above average house wine thinking about the 2021 warm weather and improved winemaking. Now, I'm looking at the 50+ CT tasting notes elaborating on Grenache and Mourvèdre tastes in a 100% Syrah, age ability of a $15 CDR, offering taste opinions ("almost sweet wine, not really" "watery but finished strong" "did not make me feel any emotion") Give a wine drinker a podium and get pablum. A wise man once said "A man's gotta know his limitations."

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/15/2023 3:24:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are only 2 notes, out of the 67 notes, that even mention mourvedre and/or grenache. One of the notes simply says that the nose is a little like grenaches or mourvedre. The other note simply says "redolent" (suggestive) of Grenache.

I don't understand your complaint. Your note makes it sound like many people are mentioning mourvedre and grenache, when only one note even mentions both and the other note mentions only grenache. And people have a right to describe a $15 wine as much as a $100 wine.

Much ado about nothing.

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/15/2023 4:18:10 PM   
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A wise man once said "A man's gotta know his limitations."


...and he also said "Your mouthwash ain't cutting it." Great movies.

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/15/2023 5:11:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think anyone is complaining. Just thinking about how CT makes us "think" about wine and express it in so many different and often eloquent ways.

Sitting at a bar in Lyon does sound interesting.

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/15/2023 5:34:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I would say why drink a pedestrian CdR in France? I would rather step up to something much better. While I was recently sitting in Heathrow airport I saw a bottle of 2017 Jadot Pernand Ile de Vergelesses for 60£. I told my wife if our flight wasn’t so soon I would have bought it. CdR…never had any interest in this wine. Just me.

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/16/2023 12:39:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I would reply with why drink an overprized meh Burgundy in England?

Personally I'm a fan of the "pedestrian" wines - i.e. CdR because you can make absolute bargains in that area. Sure, they make supertankers worth of swill as well.
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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/24/2023 2:34:55 PM   
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I don't think anyone is complaining. Just thinking about how CT makes us "think" about wine and express it in so many different and often eloquent ways.


It's hard not to read it as a complaint about less knowledgeable people being allowed to post tasting notes.

Maybe it's just me, but it does leave me feeling that perhaps it's presumptuous of me to post notes here -- and I've not even tasted St Cosme's CDR, let alone written a note on it. Not sure if that's their intention or not, however.

(I'll still keep posting notes, of course -- I'm not that easily dissuaded.)

It's kind of the problem with the internet, of course. On the bright side, anyone can post. On the downside, anyone can post. If you think about that one for too long, you'll end up concluding you're not properly qualified to post anything, ever -- which is counterproductive, really.

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/24/2023 2:54:02 PM   
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It's hard not to read it as a complaint about less knowledgeable people being allowed to post tasting notes.


That's how I read it.

Allowing EVERYONE to post notes and ratings is one of the things makes CellarTracker so useful. You can accept the average...the median....or simply choose the reviewers that like the same wines that you do.

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/25/2023 12:43:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apologies for ranting about overzealous notes far removed from the wines grown, harvested, vinified and bottled by hard working cellarmasters. I was pointing out the incongruity between a bar patron in Lyon enjoying his glass of Rhone for what it is, a drink, and selected notes. I am expressing the frustration shown by a British philosopher, writer, wine lover who wrote about wine's connections to its origins and suggested that "It's a damn good wine" was an adequate review. "I Drink Therefore I Am."












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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/25/2023 2:02:25 PM   
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It's hard not to read it as a complaint about less knowledgeable people being allowed to post tasting notes.


That's how I read it.

Allowing EVERYONE to post notes and ratings is one of the things makes CellarTracker so useful. You can accept the average...the median....or simply choose the reviewers that like the same wines that you do.


Yes, very much so. I often find the notes on CT very useful. There are some that are more so than others, but it's normally easy to figure out which are worth reading and which aren't so much.

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/25/2023 2:09:20 PM   
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Apologies for ranting about overzealous notes far removed from the wines grown, harvested, vinified and bottled by hard working cellarmasters. I was pointing out the incongruity between a bar patron in Lyon enjoying his glass of Rhone for what it is, a drink, and selected notes.


That's ok, though I am not sure I understand your point. I've worked with viticulturists, cellarmasters, and winemakers, and none that I know would be insulted by someone making notes on their wine -- unless the notes were unfairly harsh!

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I am expressing the frustration shown by a British philosopher, writer, wine lover who wrote about wine's connections to its origins and suggested that "It's a damn good wine" was an adequate review. "I Drink Therefore I Am."


It's a view I've heard and also don't understand. I enjoy analysing wine a bit more deeply than that, though I know that not everyone does. If you're not keen on reading more detailed notes and reviews on wines, it's easy enough to avoid reading them. There is no need to try and prohibit others from enjoying wine in their own way, even if it's different to yours.

For me, "it's a damn good wine" isn't a useful review because it doesn't tell me why they like the wine. It's possible their tastes are different enough to mine that what they like about the wine would be what I dislike about it.

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/26/2023 11:51:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are correct, my original post cited tasting notes ("almost sweet wine, not really" "watery but finished strong" "did not make me feel any emotion") which I thought less informative than "damn good wine." Just a rant on assuming airs.

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RE: What hath CT wrought? - 10/26/2023 1:40:50 PM   
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You are correct, my original post cited tasting notes ("almost sweet wine, not really" "watery but finished strong" "did not make me feel any emotion") which I thought less informative than "damn good wine."


Ok, I thought you were siding with those who argue that any notes or comments on wine beyond 'it tastes good/bad' are pretentious nonsense -- not something I can agree with, obviously!

To me, both examples you cite are equally uninformative. As I said earlier, the best part of CT -- that anyone can post -- is also the worst part. You do need to be willing to read through notes and figure which are worth paying attention to and which are not.

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Just a rant on assuming airs.


I honestly hope people keep assuming airs and having ideas above their station, too. Thankfully, there has been a lot of work put into democratising wine in recent years. It is no longer just a hobby for upper class people -- anyone can be a wine enthusiast!

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