2005 Château Cos d'Estournel
Community Tasting Note
acyso wrote:
83 Points
Thursday, December 3, 2015 - HDH holiday tasting (Chicago, IL): A very unconvincing showing today. Completely closed. Huge and massive, with absolutely nothing pleasurable on the palate. Give it 20 years and pray that the emperor is clothed.
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Comment posted by Seth Rosenberg:
12/3/2015 9:08:00 PM - Clothed in oak barrels.
Comment posted by BuzzzzOff:
12/3/2015 10:07:00 PM - Thanks for your note and rating. Ouch, that sucks!!! We bought quite a bit of this vintage...watch this space in 20 years...we hope the Emperor clothes himself like a beautiful Empress...
Comment posted by sandwich:
12/4/2015 6:18:00 AM - Don't be discouraged by this. Clearly ACYSO does not like Bordeaux. Read some of his other tasting notes. Most of them are gratuitously harsh and his ratings are comically low on some great wines.
Comment posted by BuzzzzOff:
12/4/2015 5:37:00 PM - Thanks, Sandwich...point noted. I guess differences in preferences and opinions are part of the fun in wine.
Comment posted by Seth Rosenberg:
12/4/2015 7:59:00 PM - Sorry sandwich, you're just wrong. ACYSO doesn't hate BDX (although I do). One can clearly see that he likes some Bordeaux and not others. What he doesn't care for are over-oaked, over-extracted, out-of-balance wines (although he doesn't say that the 05 Cos is one of those for sure). The only thing comical is that the following that those wines have.
Comment posted by BuzzzzOff:
12/5/2015 6:02:00 AM - Hmmm...we are learning by the message. We have for the first time ever in 20+ years of "serious" sipping met wine lovers who "hate" Bordeaux. Left and Right Bank? All the variations therein? Cheers to diversity of opinion... Seth Rosenberg's comment is not wrong as we have noticed ACYSO has commented positively on Bordeaux wines. And so it goes...we look forward to sipping our 2005 Cos...in a few more years...and hopefully having a better experience - albeit willing to say otherwise - and sharing our notes.
Comment posted by Seth Rosenberg:
12/5/2015 6:43:00 AM - To be fair, I am being somewhat hyperbolic: I have great disdain for BDX in general, and antipathy for the 'concept'. I am constantly bored and underwhelmed by the wines. When I drank 70 Latour, 85 Lafleur and 90 Cheval and found them completely uninspiring, I knew it was time to hang up my BDX hat and just admit that pre-80's Cali did it much better. I have had a few that I liked over the years - 82 LLC and 61 Lynch Bages were excellent, but that's about it.
Comment posted by sandwich:
12/5/2015 6:46:00 AM - Actually, the truly comical thing is how many people on Cellar Tracker are self proclaimed Bordeaux haters yet they drink so much of it and constantly write scathing reviews. If you hate Bordeaux so much than stop drinking it. If you hate very oaky wines, then stop drinking them. If you hate Pavie then don't open a bottle of Pavie and politely turn down your friend when he offers you a glass. It has clearly become trendy to be anti-Bordeaux and there is a consensus that you have "wine cred" when you vocally don't like a wine that Rober Parker likes. Personally, I find burgundy to be too thin and one dimensional for me, so I stopped drinking it years ago, but I won't waste my time or money repeatedly opening up bottles of Musigny just to write bad reviews and score them in the 70s.
Comment posted by Seth Rosenberg:
12/5/2015 6:56:00 AM - Sandwich - you point is a strawman since ACYSO clearly stated that this was a big HDH event where lots of wines were opened, and he gets to try things he normally wouldn't drink - I for one am glad that he is open to trying wines he likes and doesn't. I almost never post a BDX note since I sold all my 89's and 90's years ago and won't waste the time on the wines.
Comment posted by salil:
12/5/2015 5:23:00 PM - "If you hate very oaky wines, then stop drinking them"
I agree. And this is the value of many of acyso's notes. I know Cos went from making good Bordeaux once to making modernized, oaky spoof today, but if it weren't for acyso, I wouldn't have realized that the 2005 might be an over-extracted monster rather than the elegant wines that the '88 or '86 were. So at least I know better than to buy and drink this dreck, thanks to the work done by the A.So Science Foundation.
Comment posted by BuzzzzOff:
12/5/2015 5:25:00 PM - Thanks Sandwich and Seth Rosenberg. We grew up with Bordeaux - or more specifically in our neighbourhood Left Bank - and we still love sipping them. We really got turned on to Right Bank Bordeaux 6+ years ago. Having said that, we can think of very few wine regions where we can say we do not like anything being produced. The closest would be New Zealand and Australia, but even these places produce some stunners that we enjoy. Heck, the Colombard from Thailand, Koshu from Japan and Chardonnay from China are all fair-to-middling :-). Agreed if you do not like certain wine, then do not buy or bother sipping the same. Especially agreed that everyone has different noses and palates so we wish you merry and happy sipping forever!
Comment posted by BuzzzzOff:
12/5/2015 5:28:00 PM - Thanks, salil. We now feel compelled to crack open a bottle. Watch this space!