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Saturday, September 2, 2017 - (Disgorged in 2011, 100% Pinot noir)
Cupper red colour with an endless stream of tiny bubbles and a lovely maturing nose showing a touch of oak and vanilla. Mature palate with red berries and a nice and fresh acidity with a finish showing orange peel bitterness that lasts forever. Very nice and pleasant and the perfect start to a nice and long evening.
(Best with 3-9 years extra cellaring)

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  • Comment posted by 2020:

    3/3/2020 9:29:00 PM - I was just reading through your comments. Really great notes!

    It looks as if you’ve had great success with aging NV Champagne. Is it safe to say people underestimate its aging ability? You laid down LP Rose for 10 years!? That’s awesome!!

  • Comment posted by thewiz:

    3/3/2020 10:36:00 PM - I would say many NV champagne benefit from extra cellaring. 2-3 years opens them up a bit on the nose and with 5-10 years extra would show evolved notes of maturity both on nose and palate. For me the extra cellar time is positive, but it becomes different and shows less fizz of course. It’s all down to personal taste, but I would recommend trying it in steps of longer extra ageing in the cellar to see where your personal preference is. Cheers!

  • Comment posted by 2020:

    3/4/2020 7:49:00 AM - Ah, I understand.

    What % loss of fizz are we talking on a NV at say both 5 years and then 10 years? Marginal or extreme like a 50% loss?

  • Comment posted by thewiz:

    4/8/2020 11:00:00 AM - Sorry for the late response. If stored properly the loosing of fizz is only around 10% after ten years. But if there is cork issues or if it' stored warmer the loss is higher. In general the acidity rounds off and the palate shows more intensity and there's more evolved notes on the nose and palate.

  • Comment posted by 2020:

    4/9/2020 8:53:00 PM - No worries. I appreciate the follow up.

    Got it. 10% would be something I would give up to obtain evolution of flavors. I will try to plan on pushing some NV farther.

    What happens to the color at that 10 year point? Does it fade out or hold up? Thx!

  • Comment posted by thewiz:

    4/12/2020 9:50:00 AM - Yes, I recommend not keeping one bottle for ten years, but rather stack away a box of six and open one after maybe two years to see what you think of it. If it's enjoyable what you feel, you might want to put away another box and follow them over the coming decade or so.

    With champagne the colour gets more amber with time, this is due to oxidation (the little air that goes in through the cork) and if stored a bit warmer than normal there could also be some residue falling to the bottom just as with a red wine stored over time. This happens mainly for rosé champagnes with extended cellar time. But it could happen more quickly if stored warmer.

  • Comment posted by 2020:

    4/16/2020 2:10:00 PM - Great info, thank you.

    Do you feel the comments apply to all NV rose Champagne or are you speaking specifically to the LP rose? How do you feel about NV rose in magnum?

  • Comment posted by thewiz:

    4/16/2020 10:33:00 PM - The LP Rose is particularly good for maturing in my eyes. But not all Rosé champagnes can be stored as long, it depends on their structure. Some are best enjoyed over the first few years.

    Magnum in general (for all kinds of champagnes) is the best container to mature for longer time, but I would foremost think of when you will open the bottle. Many times a standard size is more convenient, but having a matured magnum is always the best choice.

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