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| Community Tasting Notes (average 90.8 pts. and median of 92 pts. in 96 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by jepstein4031 on 12/14/2023 & rated 95 points: This was amazingly alive, and can likely go on for longer. Tertiary, of course. Tons of cigar box, leather, smoke and violet. A real treat. What i most enjoyed was the balance - well integrated tannins and acid, with the stewed fruit. Definitely benefited from a relatively short decanting. (694 views) | | | Tasted by APH on 9/26/2023 & rated 95 points: Shared my last bottle with friends at a dinner. Drinking beautifully. No decanting needed. Very pleasant on the noise and balanced with sweetness on the palate. Very enjoyable! (887 views) | | | Tasted by oleksarewa on 8/19/2023 & rated 95 points: Decanted for 3 hours. Drinking beautifully now. Has lightened up, but still remains floral on the noise and light white limestone on the palate. Continued to open up over the course of dinner. Absolutely epic! (1156 views) | | | Tasted by Triforwine on 9/13/2022 & rated 97 points: Needed a "A" back up plan for the 82 Lafite that was lower fill.
This was the best 82 Pavie I have had in many years. It reminded me of why I loved it back during the early peak window. Serious bottle variation over last 4 tasted. This one was the best and great timing for an incredible dinner at 1862. Beautful example of this with the fruits of old but more refined and slighly faded but definitely present and just delightful secondary and tertiiary elements and a gorgeous mouthfeel. Denser in color and feel from last few. 97 (2989 views) | | | Tasted by Collector1855 on 8/1/2022 & rated 96 points: Always nice when a 40 year old Claret shows its grandeur. Beautiful and complex nose with all the tertiary elements, great Bordeaux have. Tasted blind, half the group placed it in the left bank. (3580 views) | | | Tasted by dbkitc on 6/10/2022 & rated 90 points: (at Magdalena - Baltimore) Vegetal, mature / sweet fruit. Tobacco. Drink up. (90) (2704 views) | | | Tasted by Boone's Farm on 4/2/2022 & rated 93 points: Sweet red fruit, cocoa and hints of chocolate. Round. Earth. Very nice wine (2635 views) | | | Tasted by MC2 Wines on 1/22/2022: 80's Bordeaux (Friend's house): This wine has a special place because it was one of the first 'real wines' that we just pulled out during COVID because daily drinkers work sometimes but sometimes it's nicer to drink better. And this is certainly many steps up from the daily drinker category. It's to me a truly lovely wine. Very bright. Red fruits. Granite. In a nice drinking window but not going anywhere anytime soon. I really appreciated it. (3316 views) | | | Tasted by Triforwine on 2/13/2021 & rated 95 points: Opened for lunch with Durand. One of my favorite wines when it was at peak in the late 1990s. Mid neck fill. Minimal sediment. Decanted and it was ready to go. Great news as the last two prior bottles were 1) flat and essentially dead when I tasted 2) corked and undrinkably maderized when my sister tasted. This one was immediately what I remembered though a bit less opulent than at peak. Lovely floral and fruit aroma and crimson color. Plenty of dark and dry red fruit, tobacco, vanilla and cocoa, saved some for dinner as opened something very special alongside for my 60th bday. This one still seems young enough to hold. Hope future bottles are like this one!! I enjoyed this more than 1982 la Dominique and 1990 Ducru Beaucaillou drank yesterday. Drink now with back up plan. 95 (3075 views) | | | Tasted by MC2 Wines on 9/12/2020: Really enjoyed this. The nose just jumps out of you. Had to decant for sediment and honestly cork since even with the Durand opener the cork crumbled. Didn't matter at all. Just drank very nicely. Lots got coffee and cocoa but I got some more bell pepper and almost a hint of green notes but in a really nice way. It's delicious. (3195 views) | | | Tasted by In2wines on 5/2/2020 & rated 92 points: Bordeaux April 2020
First time with this beaty was in 1991, a few bottles since, It has now become an elderly gentleman with a lot charme, back then it was of course much more massive, more power, but it still has enormes amount of fruit left, tobacco, leather, dark fruit, prune classic St Emilion, perfect harmony now at almost 40'th ... . if well store it can easily be 50th ! (this one was into neck, perfect cork) Drink 2020-2030 ( I do not like the style of Pavie now a days .. . a shame as Pavie has one of the 5 best terroirs in St-Emilion) (3445 views) | | | Tasted by MC2 Wines on 4/12/2020: Opened and needed a bit of time to find it's stride. Decanted for sediment and then recognized it needed a bit of air. This is a nice aged Bordeaux prob right at the peak of drinking window. The piece I liked the most was a slightly sharp, almost a bit metallic taste. There was a precision to this wine. Very clean. Very enjoyable. Went pretty perfectly with a bone-in fillet from Capital Grille (that was pretty awesome actually) as part of their take-away Easter dinner. (3344 views) | | | Tasted by Renevin on 1/14/2020 & rated 94 points: Nez fruits noirs, cuir poivron, céleri. Belle présence en bouche, ample et tout est bien fondu. Très bon. En de quoi tenir la route encore plusieurs années (3298 views) | | | Tasted by cschenck on 11/28/2019 & rated 89 points: Beautiful news, very earthy with dark fruits plum and prune in particular, had lost much of its structure so had a very thin finish. Great wine with Thanksgiving dinner. Definitely held its own (2586 views) | | | Tasted by bestdamncab on 5/22/2019 & rated 93 points: 7 Bordeaux from the 1980s include 3 from 1982 (Yan's China Bistro, Walnut Creek, Ca.): Wine Group Lunch, nose of saddle leather, dark fruit, rich fruit, earth, and mushrooms, more of the same on the palate, medium/big body, very tasty, lovely and the best Chateau Pavie I ever tasted, and a long, long finish. Added photo.. (3124 views) | | | Tasted by Erik12000 on 1/25/2019: Typical right bank nose. Full bodied, nice fruit, rounded on the palate. Nice soft acidity and rounded, integrated tannins. Meduim lenght. Still enjoyable but should be drunk now. (2679 views) | | | Tasted by acyso on 11/9/2018 flawed bottle: HDH Bordeaux Auction; 11/9/2018-11/10/2018 (Chicago, IL): Corked, which was a shame because there is some incredible spice and fruit as well. (4093 views) | | | Tasted by englishmen’s claret on 1/18/2018 & rated 88 points: Half bottle. Was worried about the TCA when first decanted and tasted. It eventually blew off and what was left was great expression of the right bank and a classic old style Pavie- which was refreshing and left me longing for the pre-Perse days. Notes of spice and tobacco on the nose. Drink up, it will not be getting any better. (3870 views) | | | Tasted by RayOB on 12/19/2017 & rated 92 points: Drank at Home
I was quite surprised by this bottle. Still quite young and fresh. Nice. (3651 views) | | | Tasted by Aravind Asok on 6/3/2017: '82 Bordeaux and Friends (Rene's): (Tasted blind) Charcoal, toast, red raspberry, softer on the palate; great acid and a touch of soft tannin on the finish. This wine changed its style
a lot with time open. It was expressive at first, closed up a bit, then came back. Definitely right bank. (5593 views) | | | Tasted by DrinkBordeaux on 9/23/2016 & rated 89 points: Right Bank Premier Grand Cru Classe "A" Bordeaux tasting (Karl's house): Had this wine a year ago, and this bottle was consistent with that one. A nice nose, but awkward on the palate. The fruit is fading. Black currant, barnyard, leather, mushroom, and chocolate. Rustic on the palate. Tannins almost fully resolved. A medium length finish with high acidity. Drink this now if you have it. (6495 views) | | | Tasted by AWBryce on 10/4/2015 & rated 92 points: Reminded me of the 82 la dominique. Red fruit, cigar box, vegetables, baking spices. Seamless on the palate. A great bottle. (7822 views) | | | Tasted by Baconcat on 7/30/2015 & rated 92 points: Jammy color. Dark cherry. (7029 views) | | | Tasted by Philippe_C on 2/4/2015 & rated 92 points: Nose of chocolate, mokka, black fruit, barbecue… tannins presentripe cherries, good length (8085 views) | | | Tasted by KMDoyle405 on 12/23/2014 & rated 90 points: The wine pleased the people at the table who were not real wine drinkers. A few of us (wine snobs who know the beauty of the 82 vintage) knew this was not in the same category as the other benchmark examples. Solid, but lacked the complexity, freshness, and lingering finish found in other wines of the vintage. This is a wine to drink now, as I can't imagine any improvement with further cellaring. (6425 views) | | | Only displaying the 25 most recent notes - click to see all notes for this wine... |
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Vinous, Written in the Stars: Bordeaux 1865-2020 (Dec 2023) (12/1/2023)
(Pavie Pavie Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By John Gilman
View From the Cellar, Jan/Feb 2020, Issue #85, Catching Up With the 1982 Bordeaux Vintage As It Closes In On Its Fortieth Birthday
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View From the Cellar, Jan/Feb 2018, Issue #73, Always the Right Time For the Right Bank Another Compendium From St. Émilion and Pomerol
(Château Pavie (St. Émilion)) Login and sign up and see review text. | By John Kapon
Vintage Tastings, 1982 Bordeaux Retrospective at Age 25 (5/20/2007)
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JancisRobinson.com (7/15/2002)
(Ch Pavie St-Émilion Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Stephen Tanzer
Vinous, July/August 2002, IWC Issue #103
(Chateau Pavie Saint Emilion) Subscribe to see review text. | By Neal Martin
Vinous, A Century of Bordeaux: The Twos (Sep 2022)
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| Château Pavie Producer website - Read more about Chateau Pavie
The vineyard on weinlagen-infoRed Bordeaux BlendRed Bordeaux is generally made from a blend of grapes. Permitted grapes are Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Merlot, Petit Verdot, Malbec and rarely Carménère.Today Carménère is rarely used, with Château Clerc Milon, a fifth growth Bordeaux, being one of the few to still retain Carménère vines. As of July 2019, Bordeaux wineries authorized the use of four new red grapes to combat temperature increases in Bordeaux. These newly approved grapes are Marselan, Touriga Nacional, Castets, and Arinarnoa.
Wineries all over the world aspire to making wines in a Bordeaux style. In 1988, a group of American vintners formed The Meritage Association to identify wines made in this way. Although most Meritage wines come from California, there are members of the Meritage Association in 18 states and five other countries, including Argentina, Australia, Canada, Israel, and Mexico.France Vins de France (Office National Interprofessionnel des Vins ) | Pages Vins, Directory of French Winegrowers | French Wine (Wikipedia)
Wine Scholar Guild vintage ratings
2018 vintage: "marked by a wet spring, a superb summer and a good harvest"
2019 vintage reports
2021: "From a general standpoint, whether for white, rosé or red wines, 2021 is a year marked by quality in the Rhône Valley Vineyards. Structured, elegant, fresh and fruity will be the main keywords for this new vintage."
2022 harvest: idealwine.info | wine-searcher.comBordeaux Bordeaux Wine Guide
Vins Bordeaux (Conseil Interprofessionnel du Vin de Bordeaux)
History of Bordeaux
History of 1855 Bordeaux Classification
"2009 is all about ripeness, with wines impressively packed with ripe fruit and high alcohol levels. They are showy, in-your-face, and full of pleasure. The 2010s have the fruit and alcohol levels of the 2009s, but with a compelling freshness on the finish that balances the fruit and provides a perfect sense of structure." - Ben Nelson
"2016 is a landmark vintage in certain spots of Bordeaux and it should be remembered as one of the most inspired campaigns of the last 40-50+ years." -Jon Rimmerman
"The quality of red Bordeaux in 2016 was universally lauded – although the response to the en primeur campaign was muted. Quantity was high too, with the equivalent of 770 million bottles of wine produced. An exceptionally dry summer with cool nights eventually, thanks to mid September rain, resulted in small, thick-skinned, ripe grapes, and the wines are marked by high tannin and acidity, with superb aromatic fragrance." - Jancis Robinson
"2017 was complicated, but there are some excellent wines. Expect plenty of freshness and drinkability from wines that will offer excellent value, and others that will rival 2016 in terms of ripeness and ageability. But they are likely to be the exception not the rule, making careful selection key." - Jane Anson
"In the past, a vintage such as 2022 may have been overripe, raisined and low in acidity but 2022 had a sneaky little reservoir in its back pocket - a near perfect marriage of cool/cold/rain the previous winter and the previous vintage that literally soaked the soils (a key to why 2022 is not 2003...or 1893)." - Jon RimmermanLibournais Libournais (Conseil Interprofessionnel du Vin de Bordeaux) - Read more about St. Emilion and its wines - Read more about Pomerol and its wines
Saint Emilion Grat Classified Growth, Classified Growths, Grands Crus Classes, GCC
In 1954, while the "Graves" growths had just published their own classification, the wine syndicate of Saint-Emilion, composed by wine growers, brokers and wine traders with the approval of the INAO - Institut National des Appellations d'Origine (A.O.C), decided to work on a classification for the wines of Saint Emilion. Initially, four grades were defined. These were reduced to two - First Great Classified Growth (A and B) and Great Classified Growth - in 1984.
As of Medoc's 1855 historical grading, the Saint-Emilion Great Classified Growth classification is not only based on qualitative criteria by tasting the wines on a ten years period previous to the assessment, but also on commercial considerations such as:
- sales price levels
- national and international commercial distribution
- the estate's reputation on the market
Properties who don't manage to join the club of about sixty Classified Growths are given the denomination of Great Growth ("Grand Cru"), while the remaining wineries of the A.O.C are simply reported as "Saint-Emilion". It is to be noted that the owners must officially apply to appear in the official classification. Thus for example the famous Chateau Tertre-Roteboeuf, whose quality and reputation would easily justify to be listed among the First Great Classified Growths, does not appear here by the will of its owner, François Mitjaville.
The Saint-Emilion Great Growth classification was revised in 1969, 1985, 1996 and 2006. The only two guaranteed vintage (A.O.C) who can apply to the classification are the "Saint-Emilion Grand Cru" and "Saint-Emilion" areas.
By grading 61 properties, the 2006 revision confirmed many growths from the former classification, but also caused a number of surprises and a few inevitable disappointments. Many observers thought that the impressive progression of Perse's Chateau Pavie since 1998 would be rewarded by an upgrade into the First Great Classified Growths (A) category, but finally such was not the case.
Among the estates promoted to the First Great Classified Growths B category are Chateau Troplong-Mondot and Pavie-Macquin, whose efforts made since the Nineties fully justify their new grade. It should be noted that no First Great Classified Growth was relegated to the lower Great Classified Growth class.
Promoted growths from the status of Great Growth ("Grand Cru") to Great Classified Growth ("Grand Cru Classe") are: Chateaux Bellefont-Belcier, Destieux, Fleur Cardinale, Grand Corbin, Grand Corbin-Despagne and Monbousquet.
The demoted growths from the status of Great Classified Growth to Great Growth are: Chateaux Bellevue, Cadet Bon, Faurie de Souchard, Guadet Saint-Julien, La Tour du Pin-Figeac (Belivier), La Tour du Pin-Figeac (Moueix), Lamarzelle, Petite Faurie de Soutard, Tertre Daugay, Villemaurine and Yon-Figeac. If the recent samples of some of the above mentioned properties may justify their current downgrade, there are great chances that estates like Bellevue, Tertre Daugay or Yon-Figeac will be upgraded to their previous rankings by the next revision in 2016 as the progresses noted after 2000, but not entering in the range of vintages (1993 - 2002) appointed for the criteria of selection for the 2006 classification, are noticable.
The two following estates have completely disappeared from the Saint-Emilion Grand Cru Classification: Curé-Bon-la-Madeleine (integrated meanwhile to Chateau Canon) and La Clusière (integrated meanwhile to Chateau Pavie).
Finally, no estate considered as "garagiste" has integrated the classification. Valandraud, Mondotte, Le Dome, Bellevue-Mondotte or Magrez-Fombrauge have, for the least, the potential to be ranked as Great Classified Growths. In sight of the very fine quality reached by the above mentioned estates in recent vintages as well as all the innovative wine making methods used by the "garagistes", it remains to be seen whether the authorities will dare to cross the line in 2016..?St. Émilion Grand Cru Les Vins de St. Émilion (Syndicate Vitocole de Saint-Emilion) – Read about St. Emilion
Vins de Bordeaux:
Grape Varieties: Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Merlot
Soil: Sandy soils with alluvial gravel deposits
Surface Area: 4,160 ha |
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