2012 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Rosso
Community Tasting Note
StefanAkiko wrote:
84 Points
Tuesday, May 5, 2015 - Overly perfumed, overly acidic and underly performance.
This is not at all costly, but it is poor. Wife dismissed it as a "grape-tainted-wine". I laughed, and agreed. Even if I drank it all, rather than pouring it down the drain. I mean, at the end of the day, after all, I'm not a barbarian :-)
But overly cherry aromas on a thin, overly acidic expression in a wine that cost almost nothing, was raised to the skies by some... At any rate, it performed no great show tonight. Tar and feathers 'R Us :-)
Minerality, check
Acidity, overcheck
Tannins, mnjae , some. . . check
Length, nope.
Intensity, uhu, hardly, but . . . check
Concentration, really? . . . nope *WATERY*
Our taste: ferk no!
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Comment posted by studleytrey:
5/5/2015 2:02:00 PM - Amused yourself with that note, didn't you?
Comment posted by larseman:
5/6/2015 2:53:00 AM - 80-84 Good: a solid, well-made wine (Winespectator)
Are you really using the scale correctly? Think you passed the same comment to me once :-)
Comment posted by StefanAkiko:
5/6/2015 3:20:00 AM - We need to keep the spirits high :-)
I should have added that the wine is not technically wrong in any way. Just a taste preference. My score reflects what I (as objectively as possible without blind tasting it) think that this wine's quality is. My text is a bit too long just to say that we didn't like it.
(Our preference: 70-ish = drinkable)
Comment posted by Zorg:
5/8/2015 2:32:00 PM - Håller med helt och hållet, a wine not worth buying or drinking.
Comment posted by StefanAkiko:
5/8/2015 7:58:00 PM - Trots alla lovord om viner från Etna, så är vi inte på just lovpriståget. Vi åker fortfarande på fattarintetåget.
Despite all the praises for wines from Etna, we're still not on the halelujah-train. We're still on the dontgetit-train.
Comment posted by studleytrey:
5/18/2015 8:41:00 AM - So what we have here are people who drink French wine at Italian restaurants, Italian wine in French restaurants, score "boring" wines 91 points, and in the case of Zorg, "don't get" Burgundy and pinot noir...it is therefore not particularly surprising that wines like this don't make sense to them, and they aren't prone to appreciate a showing of restraint, sense of place, and truth in varietal nature that these wines bring. That is fine; stick to Bdx bangers and leave these wines for those who appreciate them.
Comment posted by StefanAkiko:
5/18/2015 8:49:00 AM - studleytrey: Please be happier :-) We're all here because we enjoy wine and enjoy to have fun and share ideas, impressions and descriptions.
Did you never have a "boring" wine for your palate, which by all means is a great wine? Just not for your palate? Or at a tasting, all the other ones had the opposite view on a wine compared to your POV?
Most of us invariably return to all the grapes, districts and producers that we "don't get" because of the love of wine. And M-A-Y-B-E we get it this time.
Enjoy :-)
Comment posted by StefanAkiko:
5/18/2015 8:51:00 AM - ...and I always feel as if we (usually) drink GREAT wines at (usually) GREAT restaurants :-)
Comment posted by studleytrey:
5/18/2015 10:42:00 AM - I am happy. There was a bit of (IMO) undue trashing of this wine and Etna as a whole going on here, so I thought I'd put it in perspective for anyone who might be basing a purchasing decision (as I often do) on the content here. I do take your meaning about "boring" though, and wish you many more bottles to your palate's preference in "great restaurants." Cheers.
Comment posted by StefanAkiko:
5/18/2015 10:56:00 AM - Yes, for sure: we all have different preferences and Darlings. Sorry to have bashed one of yours. But happy you are among those who enjoy this style. My view is, that I'm trying to help ppl who prefer more heft and less acid to, simply, move along.
Please check out wife's and my Instagram account: @japanmat and I'm sure you will agree that at least SOME of the plates from the Tokyo restaurants we frequent are quite nice. Enjoy!
Comment posted by studleytrey:
5/18/2015 11:49:00 AM - I don't doubt the restaurants you frequent are indeed very nice. My placing "great restaurants" in quotes was literally quoting you, not intending any snark. Cheers.
Comment posted by StefanAkiko:
5/18/2015 11:51:00 AM - Just busy enjoying the best things in life and having fun :-)
Comment posted by Zorg:
5/18/2015 12:30:00 PM - studleytrey: Cheer up! TNs are just opinions about how a wine was to a certain person at a certain time, nothing about what is right or wrong. Why do you get so upset just because someone else have an opinion that differs from yours? So, chill out, you liked this wine and we didn’t, it’s just as simple as that, none of us are right or wrong. I have one more bottle of it and maybe I’ll like it a lot better next time and give it a higher score, but THAT bottle I drank at THAT evening was to ME an OK bottle of wine worth 82 p and not more.
And no, I will not stick to Bdx. Until today I’ve had 75 wines from my celler during 2015 and only 4 have been from Bdx, the other 71 have been from 31 other regions from all over the world and I will continue to buy and drink wines from all over the world, and regardless of where they are from or how good other people think they are, if I don’t like them I will give them a low score and go on to the next wine. I’ve had other wines from Sicily before that I’ve really liked so I will also continue to buy Sicilian wines and hope for the best.
Cheers :-)
Comment posted by studleytrey:
5/18/2015 2:32:00 PM - Who's upset here? Yikes. Thought we had things pretty ironed out. Perhaps you should follow your own advice. The Bdx comment was regarding style BTW, not literally drink wine from one region. Have fun, fella.
Comment posted by StefanAkiko:
5/18/2015 11:34:00 PM - Well, Studley, I sure think you very well deserved that sweet tackle from Zorg :-)
Comment posted by studleytrey:
5/19/2015 7:01:00 AM - LOL...ok...
Comment posted by StefanAkiko:
5/21/2015 9:50:00 AM - Studley: from your TN's, it seems that blind tastings are not your cup of moonshine or too frequent?
Have you ever challenged yourself with writing your TN, including score etc BEFORE knowing what's in the glass in front of you? (Can't find that among your TN's.)
As a side: we do that on a regular basis, however IMHO, not regularly enough. Nevertheless: it's sh*t hard. And you very soon learn that you just have to leave all your pretentiousness at home. Else you suffocate. I must say that 100% honest blind tastings are quite revealing of many things, including your own TRUE preferences and your MUlTITUDE of blind spots.
Is a lovely way to grow. And, as we all know: most pros score their wines only after having seen the label. Not so brave and, honestly, not so useful...
Comment posted by studleytrey:
5/21/2015 11:22:00 AM - No, but I wouldn't be opposed to it; I just typically pick out the wines to go with our meals or situations, and therefore know what they are. Todd Anderson told me you'd be surprised at how many people can't identify whether a wine is white or red when served blind at cellar temp, which I was surprised to hear and sure hope I'd be able to do. I'll have to try it out though. TNs are one thing of course, but giving a score for a wine without knowing its varietal makeup would be difficult, since a score is intended to be relative to its peers.
Regardless, you guys are reading way too much into what I've written to come up with me being pretentious, unhappy, and somehow worked up or upset about things. It's simply not the case. I watched you guys drag this wine and Etna DOC though the mud, thought to myself, "interesting," and did some light looking to see your preferences and simply communicated that for anyone who might be interested, that's all. It is completely understandable that someone who doesn't "get" pinot noir & Burgundy wouldn't "get" this wine, for example, as they are stylistically similar.
Comment posted by Zorg:
5/21/2015 2:24:00 PM - Studleytrey: Sorry, I wrote my reply to you before I had seen that you and Stefan had exchanged more messages so I hadn't seen your explanation (started to write the reply and had to do some things before I finished it). Sorry if I sounded upset. So, peace, everything is forgiven if there ever was anything to forgive. It's easy to misunderstand a written message. And yes, you are quite right, I'm probably the wrong person to judge wines from Etna if they are to burgundian. I'll continue to drink them but will be more careful when I write my TNs.
Comment posted by studleytrey:
5/22/2015 10:49:00 AM - No sweat. Happy wine adventures to you both. Cheers.
Comment posted by Zorg:
5/22/2015 12:51:00 PM - Had to keep practising, had two more Etna wines tonight. :-)
Comment posted by StefanAkiko:
8/6/2022 7:11:00 AM - Lo and behold!
The other night, the sommelier at Restaurant PRIMO in Kannai (Yokohama) blind-served us exactly this wine. It's a much better wine today. Quite a beauty. Will probably become even better.
Patience is a virtue.
In all honesty, I didn't see this having any kind of worthwhile stuffing. How wrong I was :-)