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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 12/29/2016 5:51:53 PM   
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Looks great Chris. But I'm terrified as to what threw your love seat sideways....


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TOP 10 EXPLANATIONS AS TO CHRIS' LOVESEAT SIDEWAYS

Monster off the kitchen
Hanging 10 dude, while couch surfing
Vestibular problem
Building a fort to defend against wild and dangerous kids, grand kids, and other little ones
Lost the damn TV remote
Earthquake
That room is used as a (to get) air bnb.....
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Ha! I forgot to explain that! But yeah all of those reasons make sense, I like the air bnb one best. The real reason is that it was taking space in the "winery" and with five barrels in residence, it's now on its way to the home for wayward sofas. Just hasn't made it all the way out the door.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 12/29/2016 7:11:44 PM   
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TOP 10 EXPLANATIONS AS TO CHRIS' LOVESEAT SIDEWAYS

Monster off the kitchen
Hanging 10 dude, while couch surfing
Vestibular problem
Building a fort to defend against wild and dangerous kids, grand kids, and other little ones
Lost the damn TV remote
Earthquake
That room is used as a (to get) air bnb.....
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Low gravity anomaly
Performance Art piece
Keep the ever-shedding pets off the furniture
Vacuuming OCD


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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 2/6/2017 10:34:02 AM   
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In wine making related news, I was having stubborn Syrah and Sangiovese with the malolactic fermentation not happening, and I had some old (maybe 2015, maybe older than that) ML culture pouches in my wine fridge. I expected them to be DOA, and there was not enough to inoculate 3 barrels anyway, so a wine friend suggested apple juice as a starter/incubator to grow more quickly. I added them to a non-alcoholic apple cider ~ two weeks ago, had given up and was going to buy more ML pouches last weekend, but my supplier was out. Before I went back to buy this weekend, I came home last Friday to this...



I separated this into a couple of batches added in some new wine of each variety for acclimation for a day, then pitched it all into my barrels last evening. I tasted it before pitching into the wine barrels and it really no longer resembled apple juice at all, very mellow acids, and lots of suds. Not primary in any way, so I'm hopeful this jumpstart will work and will be a nice trick for future vintages to save on ML culture starters.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 6/7/2017 7:10:10 PM   
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The ML trick worked on my '16s and they all resting in barrel or glass.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 6/8/2017 4:06:52 AM   
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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 6/8/2017 5:37:42 AM   
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Early recon suggests that i may actually be able to vinify a full gallon of Merlot/Cab Franc/Cab Sauvignon this fall, or at the least make another Bordeaux blend grape jelly (was quite good last year)

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 9/21/2017 4:04:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bottled my 2016 red made from California purchased grapes, two blends including Zinfandel, Petit Sirah & Malbec. Both bottlings turned out quite good, although i'm not convinced that Malo happened on the one carboy. Will need to look into purchasing cultures in the future, although i've never prior had to worry about this.

Chris, when do you typically culture the container with Malo?

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 9/21/2017 8:45:54 AM   
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Bottled my 2016 red made from California purchased grapes, two blends including Zinfandel, Petit Sirah & Malbec. Both bottlings turned out quite good, although i'm not convinced that Malo happened on the one carboy. Will need to look into purchasing cultures in the future, although i've never prior had to worry about this.

Chris, when do you typically culture the container with Malo?

Hi Karl, I usually wait, wait, wait to see if it happens on it's own. Last year it was February (of 2017) before I added the culture. I've always picked up the live culture in pouch form but my shop in Yakima hasn't had them in stock lately. I just asked the other day when I was there buying my gear supplies for this harvest, and none there now. Wy'east is the brand I've used. A pouch will start a carboy, maybe two or three with blending. And like I did last year, a batch of apple cider can make a large mother culture. I might order online. In fact, I think I will order a few pouches now... https://www.amazon.com/Wyeast-Lactic-Blend-Liquid-Culture/dp/B01377S5QI/ref=sr_1_3_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1506008567&sr=8-3&keywords=malolactic

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 9/26/2017 3:24:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		So today my local brew shop is offering grapes from California & Washington.

Already have ordered.
Alicante Bouchet
Syrah

Petite Verdot
Merlot

So does anybody have experience with Sangiovese or Barbera?? Do these grapes go well in any blends, or does anybody have experience with the vinification of these grapes? I don't drink a lot of either.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 9/26/2017 6:12:10 PM   
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So today my local brew shop is offering grapes from California & Washington.


I've never made sangiovese but I've generally liked the Wa bottlings - more fruit, less earthiness than chianti

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 9/27/2017 10:31:25 AM   
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So today my local brew shop is offering grapes from California & Washington.

Already have ordered.
Alicante Bouchet
Syrah

Petite Verdot
Merlot

So does anybody have experience with Sangiovese or Barbera?? Do these grapes go well in any blends, or does anybody have experience with the vinification of these grapes? I don't drink a lot of either.

I've made Sangio twice, in 2012 and 2016. Will pick it again in about 10 days. Barbera I made once in 08 or 09 from scavenged grapes. We picked free with permission at Cascade Cliffs in mid November and got maybe 100 pounds. My Sangio both times has been a middle of the road Red, not too tanninc, not too acidic, and both times I've gotten some Reduced sulfur following fermentation. Corrected it pretty easily by plenty of aeration during racking.

The Barbera was my first batch of Red wine in buckets and I don't recall any particular issues with production, but the final wine was very acidic, unlikely it went through ML, but over the years it calmed down, and is almost drinkable. Most has gone into pasta sauces and I think I'm down to 2-3 bottles of that one.

My 2012 Sangio is long gone, my 2016 is still in a barrel. I've been topping it with Syrah, since that's what I have, so that is a bit of blending.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 9/27/2017 12:53:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		WA Sangio is one of my favorites, though some comment that it is not typical of the grape and not as good as the real thing from Italy. I'd go for it Karl, but I like a high acid wine.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 9/27/2017 6:24:33 PM   
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WA Sangio is one of my favorites, though some comment that it is not typical of the grape and not as good as the real thing from Italy. I'd go for it Karl, but I like a high acid wine.


I can purchase Sangio from either Washington or California. Very tempted.

So far i have ordered.

Vat of Grenache juice (6 gallons) to be fermented with Syrah (likely whole cluster)

Petite Sirah + Merlot (actual grapes to be pressed & fermented on the skins)

Alicante Bouchet + Zinfandel (actual grapes to be pressed & fermented on the skins)

Two lugs of Sangio would cost around $90 and yield about 3 gallons....about 15 bottles.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 10/4/2017 3:07:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anybody have experience with amount of oak cubes per gallon of juice for how long with Grenache or Sangiovese?

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 11/20/2017 5:00:24 PM   
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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 11/21/2017 7:32:52 PM   
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Bump.....still curious for any Sangiovese advice. Percentage of new oak to recommend?



7 cubes per gallon or 34 cubes per 5 gallon. Cheers!

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 2/26/2018 10:09:34 AM   
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EDIT: photo removed due to enormous sizing. Not sure what I'm doing with Imbb.com that dictates whether photo will look correct scale when linked.. or not.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 4/4/2018 3:29:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bottled my 2017 red wine from the grapes in my yard. 2 batches, kind of meh.... Need to get my crop levels under control and will oak the wine in a similar way i am oaking my California grapes and see how that helps. The vines have a tendency to massively over crop.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 8/13/2018 5:54:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My bottled wines from last year are all drinking rather well....except my white wine from the fall sucks. Although.....i did bottle a sparkling Frontenac Gris and it is actually rather good!! The grapes included are Frontenac Gris, Prairie Star, Lacrosse, Aromella, Swenson Red, Swenson White and Vidal Blanc. I might actually give this to people, to people i like!


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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 9/11/2018 6:15:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Found a store in Chicago that has Sangiovese and Barbera grapes for sale. Woot! Gonna pick me up about 100 lbs of each.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 8/7/2019 6:02:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gahhhhh! Just realized that my 2018 Barbera/Sangiovese blend has the awful fizz......any idea what causes this in bottle? Wine doesn't taste awful but it's subdued and fizzy at first. Am guessing acetobacter but not sure.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 8/8/2019 2:23:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've had that happen for a few reasons...

1. not yet fully fermented, RS takes off again after a slumber period in the bottle/carboy/barrel.
2. Some contamination of the cork during bottling. Again might need a sugar source to really get going without oxygen, but type of spoilage could be any number of things.

Solutions, better sterilization of all equipment and corks and sterile filter the wine before bottle. I have used a mini-jet with sterile #3 or #1 (I can never remember which way their scale goes) filter pads.

I will also say this might not have affected every bottle. I had a gewurz (2017 I think) that was half good half bad, depending on the cork type used.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 8/10/2019 3:43:07 AM   
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I've had that happen for a few reasons...

1. not yet fully fermented, RS takes off again after a slumber period in the bottle/carboy/barrel.
2. Some contamination of the cork during bottling. Again might need a sugar source to really get going without oxygen, but type of spoilage could be any number of things.

Solutions, better sterilization of all equipment and corks and sterile filter the wine before bottle. I have used a mini-jet with sterile #3 or #1 (I can never remember which way their scale goes) filter pads.

I will also say this might not have affected every bottle. I had a gewurz (2017 I think) that was half good half bad, depending on the cork type used.


I remember that Gewruz Chris. I stored the bottles upright, so i doubt the cork was an issue, although i cannot rule it out. I tasted the wines prior to bottling and they didn't appear to have any RS, but maybe??? I decided to open up the remaining bottles from the above said carboy and all had developed a rather intense fizz.....and while they didn't taste awful, they were subdued so i dumped them all.

I will test some more bottles from other lots tonight. I did have a 3 gallon carboy from 2017 that developed a slight fizz once bottled, but it didn't really effect the taste and i am still drinking the remaining bottles just fine.

Have you felt that the mini-jet filtration system effected the wine in any negative ways?

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 9/22/2019 11:57:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		2019 backyard red wine turned out rather pleasant, surprisingly. It's not the rose' i had planned, but very very drinkable. Upfront fruity Mulberry accents, and quite simple. Since i only ended with 2 gallons (my usual is around 5 gallons) i will blend in some grapes that i purchase from California and make this my Nouveau bottling for the year. Probably use some Sangiovese or Grenache to compliment the majority Frontenac.

Carboy sizes are 3, 5 & 6 gallons. So you need a full container.

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RE: Warning: Don't Try this at Home - 5/14/2020 4:20:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The joys of winemaking..... Purging some older vintages and some bottles that went bad. Need to free up some bottles that can be cleaned and used for my California wines i made last fall. Will perhaps bottle some wines this upcoming weekend since.....quarantine. Might at well be productive.

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