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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/16/2016 12:02:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ha! You guys are amateurs. I'm only 62 bottles away from 4000 on that stat.

Here's a different one for me: for the first time in the 10 years that I've been buying and tracking, France surpasses the US by the slim margin of 39.3% to 39.2% in the cellar. Followed up by Italy at 9%, Germany at 4.5%, Portugal 2.7, Spain 2.6, the others all below 2%. Given how my taste and preference has evolved over that time, I would expect my US holdings to continue to decline as a percentage which, I gather is a pretty common theme among us winoughs.


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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/16/2016 9:05:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I have almost all my fall incoming in hand and looks like I will peak at about 535 bottles. Noteworthy for last year I peaked at about 575. Will hope to peak at under 500 next year. At 450 to 500 my cellar storage works. At 600 it does not! And at 250 bottles a year or so consumption I should be much more comfortable next year - assuming I control myself!

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/16/2016 9:21:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was doing rather well in reducing to a manageable size, then started liking OR PN big time and started buying by the case again.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/16/2016 2:22:17 PM   
doc2

 

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/16/2016 2:40:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have just noticed that Burgundy has overtaken Bordeaux in my cellar after a load of wine arrived today.

Changing tastes!!!!

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/16/2016 8:28:19 PM   
Sourdough

 

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ORIGINAL: dsGris

I was doing rather well in reducing to a manageable size, then started liking OR PN big time and started buying by the case again.


OR PN was what really ballooned my cellar. I am almost 50% OR PN!

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/16/2016 8:45:12 PM   
CranBurgundy

 

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ORIGINAL: Yossarian

I have just noticed that Burgundy has overtaken Bordeaux in my cellar after a load of wine arrived today.

Changing tastes!!!!


Yeah, Burgundy outnumbers Bordeaux in my cellar too........ by like 25-1.

If you were to count the number of bottles of Bordeaux I own using your fingers, you'd barely get to your second hand.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/17/2016 12:45:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		WA finally outnumbers CA in my cellar. France of course still wins on dollars spent...

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/17/2016 1:52:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since we live in WA, it's got a huge head start on our cellar space at 58.8%, with Oregon and California at 13.2% and 17.6% respectively, but I see WA becoming less dominant in our cellar going forward as we expand our horizons.

I think at ~250 bottles we've hit a resistance level due to space constraints, and consequently we've decided to be more generous with what we open for ourselves and guests to keep up with our storage concerns. We've been buying more aged stuff lately which makes drinking them right away easier while our core cellar comes into maturity and have been trying to drink as we buy, so we're only up a net 7 bottles since we got back from Sonoma in early August with probably 4 or 5 aged bottles on the docket to consume soon.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/18/2016 8:27:02 PM   
BenNoir

 

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2014
38% France (11% Rhône, 8% Bordeaux, 6% Loire Valley)
26% USA (18% Washington)
14% Italy
7% Spain

2015
87% USA (56% Washington, 19% California, 11% Oregon)
5% Italy
4% France

2016
95% USA (60% Washington, 24% California, 10% Oregon)

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 11/19/2016 7:48:56 AM   
Sourdough

 

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/1/2017 10:44:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		We wrapped up another year, so I'm watching my cellar count. I ended the year at exactly 1100 bottles.
The good news is that cellar growth was only 134 bottles in 2016 (as compared to 522 in 2015).

The bad news is the slowing growth was due largely to unsustainable growth in consumption (over 600 bottles in 2016).
This was due in part to sucking at CT, and finding a pile of Missing and Presumed Drunk bottles during my first ever inventory.
The rest of the increased consumption was mult-case gifting to my adult children.

So I created my first ever 2017 purchasing plan, which calls for purchasing 250 bottles less in 2017 than 2016.
I also expect a sharp decrease in consumption, with a cellar growth of probably 100 bottles.
We'll see how that 2017 resolution fared in 12 months.

Happy New Year everyone
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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 5/16/2017 4:33:51 PM   
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Been a productive year!

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 5/16/2017 4:38:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mc2 wines

Just passed 3k bottles, and now just over 3k tasting notes and 3k forum posts.

Been a productive year!

Impressive! How about adding that $3K bottle?

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 5/16/2017 8:29:15 PM   
desertwine

 

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 7/3/2017 12:12:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think I have hit the high wine mark at just over 1200 bottles.
I'm fairly confident I'll be able to stabilize at around 1100 bottles sometime next year, which is comfortable for my cellar.

I created a buying plan for 2017 which is 33% less than 2016 actuals, and it seems to be working (by stopping impulse buying).
Next year I'll reduce another 25% which should bring me to a sustaining level.
After that I'll adjust the buying plan up or down as needed to maintain a cellar size of 1000-1100 bottles.


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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 7/3/2017 6:13:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bennor

I think I have hit the high wine mark at just over 1200 bottles.
I'm fairly confident I'll be able to stabilize at around 1100 bottles sometime next year, which is comfortable for my cellar.

I created a buying plan for 2017 which is 33% less than 2016 actuals, and it seems to be working (by stopping impulse buying).
Next year I'll reduce another 25% which should bring me to a sustaining level.
After that I'll adjust the buying plan up or down as needed to maintain a cellar size of 1000-1100 bottles.



Don't fret, it looks to me like you are still well above the 16Q3 low and there's plenty of upside, room to run as thay say.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 7/3/2017 7:27:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sitting just north of 700 in stock which is 300 more than it was originally built for. I am trying to increase the average bottle price and reduce quantity, keeping spending the same. We will see how that works out.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 7/3/2017 11:54:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mtpisgah

Sitting just north of 700 in stock which is 300 more than it was originally built for. I am trying to increase the average bottle price and reduce quantity, keeping spending the same. We will see how that works out.

From 2015 to 2016 I reduced the bottle count by 33%, but spent the same amount of money.

I think in general, I would like to drink less but have the quality of what I drink improve.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/1/2018 10:48:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is time for my semi-annual look at cellar growth. It appears I have stabilized cellar size do primarily to following an annual buying plan.



I will reduce bottle purchases by 10% in my 2018 plan, and hopefully consumption may drop a bit as well. I think I could cram about 2000 bottles in my cellar without stacking any cases in the isle, but it works best at 1000-1200 bottles. That gives me room to sort and re-rack occasionally.

I'm currently buying 90% through winery direct (clubs or list allocations). I may start to buy a growing percentage from wine stores.
I'll continue to stick with New World wines predominately from Washington. I'm too old to buy wines that need decades of aging.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/1/2018 10:55:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Geezus Ben, too many charts! Were you that kid in school who liked doing homework?

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/2/2018 6:52:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: doc2

I hope to only buy cellar defenders by the case.



This is also my plan.

Unfortunately, it was also my plan on the 1st of January 2016 and 17, and it didn't work out so well.

As it happens, I'm running out of existing, useable cellar space, so if I want to go higher than my current c. 1000 bottles, I have to plan another round of construction, and I'm not sure I can be bothered.

That, and to be frank all the nonsense about leaving the EU is having massive repurcussions on exchange rates and imports. So I might sit out the next round of 'once in a lifetime' vintage releases for the simple expediant of (lack of) affordability.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/2/2018 8:01:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CranBurgundy

Geezus Ben, too many charts! Were you that kid in school who liked doing homework?


No, I was not a good student, disdained homework (busy work), and finished in the bottom half of my HS class.

I do enjoy learning, and through the years I have learned that if you have a goal, it is best to measure progress using data. I bought over 1000 bottles in 2015. I would visit a winery, taste some wine and then buy a case. Apparently my goal at that time was to find and buy wine I liked without regard to storage. I achieved my goal, but I had to buy offsite storage. I tried to buy less in 2016, but without a buying plan, I still grew. I implemented a buying plan in 2017 and my cellar did not grow.

CT provides excellent data on purchases and consumption. So with a little spreadsheet work you can elucidate historical trends and build simple plans to guide future actions. I'm fairly comfortable now that I can manage purchasing within the bounds of our annual consumption.

I'll probably shift to tracking wine ready for consumption verses wine sleeping, and measuring wine varietals being consumed verses varietals being purchased. I also need to balance wine price tiers to assure a balance from "pedestrian" through "premium" is maintained.

I'm also getting better at channeling wine into the consumption stream. I have a saying, if you buy it you drink it. So that $11 a bottle "case special" wine I bought back in 2014, needs to be consumed, and it should be consumed before that really nice wine I bought last year.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/2/2018 9:58:04 AM   
jmcmchi

 

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Status: offline 		Since 2009, my cellar has gone from c50% Bordeaux to <10% Bx, 10% Australia and 70% Washington.....must be because of moving to the PNW

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/2/2018 10:48:11 AM   
Jenise

 

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Status: offline 		I remember when I hit 300 bottles--I felt rich but still had to shop for wine to take to offlines. 500 must be the right number, I told myself. 500 turned out to be no different, must be 800. But damn if 800 still didn't cut it. Had the variety but by then I knew more and had an expanded view of what perfectly aged was, and had to keep collecting. 800 is approximately how much wine I packed one winter into a rented 24 foot truck with two cats in the cab that I drove 1300 miles to our new home in Washington state in 2003.

At which time I discovered Wine Commune. Amazing wines at amazing prices. Including lots of Rhones which my new Canadian friends made me aware my cellar was very deficient in. Ditto high end Italians and Spanish. Sassicaia? Got some! Pingus? Sure! Oh my god, like shooting turkeys in a barrel. Labels I only dreamed of showed up at my doorstep weekly, and no sales tax!

By the time I hit 2000 bottles, flash sales had been invented. :) And I had cultivated ways of buying wine wholesale.

But I also reached full cellar capacity. So my greed and my common sense have finally reached a truce. No matter how good the deal, there's no more space and admittedly some wines are starting to rot on me. So 2018, I told my husband, is the year of slowing down: we'll drink the wines we have to drink instead of the wines we want to drink. We'll be good, we'll be sensible, I assured him. Can't afford to waste any.

Never mind the five cases that were delivered last week. :)



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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/2/2018 12:28:44 PM   
BenNoir

 

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So the lesson I learned from your story...

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/2/2018 12:30:17 PM   
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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/2/2018 12:50:01 PM   
Jenise

 

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Status: offline 		Bennor, yes, it's gone. Became the brick and mortar merchant JJ Buckley.

But back in the day, whew! One week auctions closed Sunday night. Most started at $1. Largest bidder got the lot. And there were a lot of lots to go around. Wines of exceptional quality and low production one might know of that hadn't been tagged yet by the famous critics were especially good deals.

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/2/2018 12:52:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jenise

Bennor, yes, it's gone. Became the brick and mortar merchant JJ Buckley.

But back in the day, whew! One week auctions closed Sunday night. Most started at $1. Largest bidder got the lot. And there were a lot of lots to go around. Wines of exceptional quality and low production one might know of that hadn't been tagged yet by the famous critics were especially good deals.

I wasn't going to buy.
I was just going to look.

Honest.

ben

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RE: Cellar Count Milestones - 1/2/2018 1:56:32 PM   
Jenise

 

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