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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/28/2024 2:04:31 PM   
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19 years and 2,530 here. Math done in my head so I might be off a smidge.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/28/2024 2:38:29 PM   
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From how I interpret the new pricing - it is similar to the prior pricing method, but required to use those specific features.

There is a recommended cost based on cellar size, but you can pick your own level and get access to all the subscription features.
The next time you subscribe, you will receive a recommendation at a pricing level based on cellar size (again), but can still continue to choose your own level.

You can give yourself a "senior discount" and still have access to all the features.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/29/2024 7:09:39 AM   
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Pretty sure there's 2 pricing tiers...free & premium.

Based on your cellar size, you pay the minimum premium price based on that. If you have less bottles, but want to pay more nobody is stopping you. But you can't pay below your cellar size premium tier.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/29/2024 11:06:18 AM   
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Based on your cellar size, you pay the minimum premium price based on that. If you have less bottles, but want to pay more nobody is stopping you. But you can't pay below your cellar size premium tier.


This to me is not clear at all at the moment based on the CT communications to date. My renewal is not until next January, but I'm also in the boat that I think the recommended amount is quite insane at the upper end. Right now when I go into renewal page, it says the minimum subscription is $40/year - which is double what the "old" $20/year minimum was for premium features. If that's the only real change, then that seems extremely reasonable. I guess we'll all figure it out when renewal time comes!

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/29/2024 11:11:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Eric

Please take a careful look at this FAQ: https://support.cellartracker.com/article/80-cellartracker-subscription

Please also play with the payment UI. You will see there is still considerable flexibility.


Eric,

Thank you for replying. I understand that most people are concerned about the pricing. However, that is the smaller of my concerns. The big concern for me is the desktop version. So, directly, will you continue to develop and maintain the desktop version of CT?

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/29/2024 1:55:51 PM   
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quote:

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Pretty sure there's 2 pricing tiers...free & premium.

Based on your cellar size, you pay the minimum premium price based on that. If you have less bottles, but want to pay more nobody is stopping you. But you can't pay below your cellar size premium tier.



That is not what I understand, or what Eric had posted on the pricing web site. You can select any of the teers - higher or lower - and will still receive the full subsrciption features.
Here is the quote from that link.

"CellarTracker is a free site/app with paid subscription to access additional features. Subscription pricing is based on your cellar size.
However, you can always select a different payment amount and, there is no penalty for exceeding the cellar size for your purchased tier. We will recommend sizing up at your renewal."

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/30/2024 5:00:53 AM   
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This is why I asked Eric in my post above if this will continue to be true under the new subscription model. He could clear this up with a simple answer, but the message we all received and the way it’s presented makes this unclear. My assumption is that you will be forced into the higher price based on your cellar count. They just don’t want to say that yet. At the higher prices for larger cellars, CT is not as good of a business proposition for some end users compared to other options. Eric needs to very clearly address this. They also didn’t indicate what happens to existing subscriptions.

I have no issues with a change in the business model, they just need to be crystal clear about how it will work and that isn’t the case right now.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/30/2024 7:16:30 AM   
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What if I really suck at CT? 2500 bottles entered but 2200 consumed without recording them. I'm still paying for 2500?

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/30/2024 8:55:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fingers

What if I really suck at CT? 2500 bottles entered but 2200 consumed without recording them. I'm still paying for 2500?

There are also many users with small cellars that use cellartracker as much or more than those with large cellars. They add and subtract bottles, look up notes, and hopefully add their tasting notes to the community. They should pay $40 and those with the largest cellars should pay $500?

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 6:28:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Eric

Please take a careful look at this FAQ: https://support.cellartracker.com/article/80-cellartracker-subscription

Please also play with the payment UI. You will see there is still considerable flexibility.


Eric,

Thank you for replying. I understand that most people are concerned about the pricing. However, that is the smaller of my concerns. The big concern for me is the desktop version. So, directly, will you continue to develop and maintain the desktop version of CT?

Yes, of course.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 6:30:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wdcwineguys

This is why I asked Eric in my post above if this will continue to be true under the new subscription model. He could clear this up with a simple answer, but the message we all received and the way it’s presented makes this unclear. My assumption is that you will be forced into the higher price based on your cellar count. They just don’t want to say that yet. At the higher prices for larger cellars, CT is not as good of a business proposition for some end users compared to other options. Eric needs to very clearly address this. They also didn’t indicate what happens to existing subscriptions.

I have no issues with a change in the business model, they just need to be crystal clear about how it will work and that isn’t the case right now.

The level of conspiracy theory here is amazing.

First of all, we emailed everyone with an existing subscription to clearly indicate these are honored. Our FAQ mentions this as well.

Please read my earlier post. Read the FAQ. Experiment with the payment UI (which you can do without completing a payment). We have retained a flexible payment model. We have no added hard bottle limits.

< Message edited by Eric -- 3/31/2024 6:31:25 AM >


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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 6:34:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fingers

What if I really suck at CT? 2500 bottles entered but 2200 consumed without recording them. I'm still paying for 2500?

Can you please read this? This question is EXPLICITLY covered in there: https://support.cellartracker.com/article/80-cellartracker-subscription

quote:

What if my cellar isn’t up to date?

You can navigate to the See more payment options page in the payment flow, where you’ll see a slider to update your tier to more accurately reflect your actual cellar size.

Implied in that is the fact that ANYONE can choose ANY of the payment levels.

Not much has actually changed. A few features will move behind the paywall. You can no longer write in any arbitrary payment amount. Our UI is much more firm about suggesting what you should pay. But otherwise this is really just a small evolution of the same model we have had for 20 years.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 6:36:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MB1991

Pretty sure there's 2 pricing tiers...free & premium.

Based on your cellar size, you pay the minimum premium price based on that. If you have less bottles, but want to pay more nobody is stopping you. But you can't pay below your cellar size premium tier.

That is incorrect. Anyone can choose any payment bucket.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 6:37:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Redrunners

From how I interpret the new pricing - it is similar to the prior pricing method, but required to use those specific features.

There is a recommended cost based on cellar size, but you can pick your own level and get access to all the subscription features.
The next time you subscribe, you will receive a recommendation at a pricing level based on cellar size (again), but can still continue to choose your own level.

You can give yourself a "senior discount" and still have access to all the features.

You read the FAQ and my replies correctly.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 6:41:39 AM   
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Will be interested to find out if the mobile subscription is in addition to the voluntary website subscription.

I'm old school and prefer to use a computer with it's large screens and keyboard and mouse. The app is great when researching a wine in a store or restaurant though.

No.

We have numerous user interfaces: desktop website, classic website, mobile website, old mobile app, new mobile app (coming in a few weeks). All are just different front ends to your data. You can use ALL simultaneously. There is no required subscription to use any or all of these. There are however some features and data that are only unlocked with subscription. In fact, there is nothing new here conceptually other than (1) a new app about to be released, (2) some features and data migrating from free to subscriber-only as well as new subscriber-only features, and (3) a somewhat more prescriptive subscription user interface.

< Message edited by Eric -- 3/31/2024 6:42:15 AM >


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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 9:59:07 AM   
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A-ha!!




Somehow, the idea that being charged per bottle really took off

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 11:05:44 AM   
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Thanks for the clarifications, Eric!

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 1:11:01 PM   
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quote:

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We have numerous user interfaces: desktop website, classic website, mobile website, old mobile app, new mobile app (coming in a few weeks). All are just different front ends to your data. You can use ALL simultaneously. There is no required subscription to use any or all of these. There are however some features and data that are only unlocked with subscription. In fact, there is nothing new here conceptually other than (1) a new app about to be released, (2) some features and data migrating from free to subscriber-only as well as new subscriber-only features, and (3) a somewhat more prescriptive subscription user interface.

Hi Eric,

I was just wondering if the downloadable queries will continue to work and not change structurally? I, and I believe some others, use my spreadsheet daily as a front end to CT. I am hoping it will continue to work.

Thanks.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 2:05:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: anevard

quote:

ORIGINAL: Eric
We have numerous user interfaces: desktop website, classic website, mobile website, old mobile app, new mobile app (coming in a few weeks). All are just different front ends to your data. You can use ALL simultaneously. There is no required subscription to use any or all of these. There are however some features and data that are only unlocked with subscription. In fact, there is nothing new here conceptually other than (1) a new app about to be released, (2) some features and data migrating from free to subscriber-only as well as new subscriber-only features, and (3) a somewhat more prescriptive subscription user interface.

Hi Eric,

I was just wondering if the downloadable queries will continue to work and not change structurally? I, and I believe some others, use my spreadsheet daily as a front end to CT. I am hoping it will continue to work.

Thanks.

We do not intend to make any columnar changes. So data may not populate depending upon subscriber status.


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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 3/31/2024 2:31:26 PM   
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We do not intend to make any columnar changes. So data may not populate depending upon subscriber status.


Great THX.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 4/7/2024 2:38:17 AM   
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Thanks for the clarifications. I think I ended up slightly nervous due to my first (mis)reading of the initial email. Making some more advanced features for paying subscribers only seems very justified to me.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 4/7/2024 5:18:48 AM   
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I have been a paying CT user for about ten years. This is my first post on a forum because I have a problem with almost everything related to social media. But since this is a potentially significant change to the platform, I wanted to say something in the hope that the powers that be will read it.

I am not in the 'excited' camp. I am in the skeptical, apprehensive, and concerned camp. I have no problem migrating to a paid subscription as long as the price stays close to what I am paying now. As someone who almost exclusively uses the Web/PC version, my skepticism, apprehension, and concern comes from watching several other websites/apps go in this same direction. It starts with a desire to improve the mobile experience. The app is then updated, and the website is ignored. After about a year, there are several features that are not on the website or PC version. Calls to incorporate the features are ignored because all that matters is the app. Then things start breaking on the web/PC version. Support for it dries up, and it becomes almost unusable.

The latest app/website that I am watching go through this is STRAVA that I use to track workouts. The website is now lagging significantly behind the app.

My next concern is around user data. As time goes by, there will be pressure to reduce the cost. This will lead to discussions regarding selling limited user data to mitigate the costs of updating the mobile app.

So, while I am not saying that this will happen, I can't think of another website/app that has gone in this direction and not followed the path I outlined. I hope Eric and CT will be the first, but today, I am searching for an alternative in case they do. Today, I need a backup plan. Yesterday, I didn't. That is why I am not excited about this announcement.



I echo all of this.

I'm a paid user, though not at the (I think overpriced) "recommended" amount. I use CT primarily for tracking my collection (what is where), and less often for researching wines I'm otherwise unfamiliar with. I use absolutely none of the premium features (pro reviews, etc.), but pay because the service is something I use almost daily and absolutely believe people should be compensated for their work. But, realistically, 95% of what I use CT for, could be achieved with a spreadsheet, albeit in less aesthetically pleasing form and encompassing the daunting prospect of transitioning all my personal data. So, I'm willing to pay $50-$75/year, but not an amount greater than the annual cost of most streaming services, which is what is "recommended."

I do use the app when I only have my phone handy, but prefer the website experience, and find it much easier to navigate.

Everyone deserves to make a living and I've found both this app, this forum, and Eric himself nothing but kind and helpful in my almost decade of use, so this is in no way meant as any kind of a dig, or even a compliant. What he's done is amazing, and he absolutely should do whatever he wants with the product he created, moving forward.

I'll keep an open mind until we see exactly what the subscriptions are—edited to add that if you're still able to select your payment cost, I'll continue to subscribe and do that—but while I realize the logic is if you can afford to have X number of bottles you can afford to pay more to keep track of them, the value prospect for me is not there if prices mirror the currently set tiers.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 4/7/2024 7:11:42 AM   
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Why can’t people actually read the FAQ?

https://support.cellartracker.com/article/80-cellartracker-subscription

Yes, you can still set your payment amount and override the recommendation.

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RE: New Cellar Tracker mobile app and business model? - 4/7/2024 7:12:20 AM   
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Why do you have to wait and see? All of the details have been out for a week.

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