Aerated 4 hrs. Nothing special. Not much going on here and would not recommend this for collectors. Just not up to the level of complexity or QPR you can get from other St. Estephe's like the 2nd wine of Calon Segur: Marquis for instance blows this Meyney away. Don't want to be too harsh but worth the note. Tannins were soft, fruit barely apparent, and green hay prevalent. Paired with flat iron steak and grilled vegetables.
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Constructed to drink at a young age, this still needs a few hours in the decanter to really come alive. One of the best value estates from St Estephe, it always punches above its weight. This is no exception, and is a bridge between Cru Bourgeois and growth Bordeaux wines, generally both in terms of quality and price. It is very approachable and easy to drink.
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First bottle of an OWC-12. I bought the case on the clear recommendation of the Southwold Tasting "2012 Ten Years On" reported by Thomas Parker and published on 4th February 2022. In fact, this bottle leaves me a little bit perplexed. The nose is fine and impressive (Merlot). It reminds me rather of right bank Pomerol. But after this pretty entry, what happens then ? Hm, the wine is not green or hollow; but maybe a little weak in the middle. And the finish is hard and in fact quite short and tannic. These impressions only changed a single iota with more air (retasted some hours on the same evening and then after 24 and 48 hours and finally on the third day).
So either the wine is still too young to put everything in harmony and one has to be patient or this is the modern style of Meyney which you can't compare to the older vintages. (cf. the vertical MEYNEY-tasting 1954-2017: "Keine graue Maus mehr: Chateau Meyney 1954 – 2017", 12. November 2020 / Sebastian Schwander - https://mybestwine.ch/frankreich/reports-bordeaux/keine-graue-maus-mehr-chateau-meyney-1954-2017/
Or, there is some bottle variation ... and you try to be lucky with the next bottle!
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Came on very strong and tannic on PnP. But then (after decant and 45 mins) died off almost entirely. Don't know. I'll wait another year or two and try again.
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At the beginning of its drinking window, this needs a lot of air to open up. However, once it does, it is approachable and very pleasant to drink with cherry and chocolate notes with lingering cedar. At present the tannin on the finish does distract.
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New leather, cassis, bay leaf, baker's chocolate, fennel. Not as good as the '09 or the '16 but just entering its drinking window so it might improve. I almost scored this 92 but the bitter chocolate is a little too strong.
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W/sous vide duck breast. Decanted for ~90 minutes. Beautiful, deep black cassis fruit and serious, no joke tannins. I enjoyed this this evening, but have to believe this will continue to get better over the next ten years. A lot more wine here than most 2012s.
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First Meyney I've tried. It's a hard hitter of clay terroir like much of St. Estephe. It is drinking relatively well right now and only needed about an hour to come into its own. It was consumed over 3 days with day 1 notes consisted of fernet, cola, mocha, and iodine. Day 3 softened some of those harder edges and developed a nice cardamom note. Longer aging of 5-10 more years will probably allow more of those gentler aromas to develop. If you like bold terroir driven St. Estephe's at a good QPR, then give Meyney a try.
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BV91 - 32EUR - This is textbook bordeaux; who says they think red wine can't be minerally? Like shoving your face in a stinky pile of dirt. Lead and wet rocks. Mud and beetroot. Dried leaves and branches. Tobacco and leather. 2012 is such a consumer vintage. Restaurants won't put this on their wine list because it's not prestigious enough, don't mind that at all because there's more for us wine drinkers at affordable prices. Drink now or within the next 3 years. Decanter not required.
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Needs a minimum of 2 hours in the decanter and preferably 12-24. Don't even think about ordering this at a restaurant. Drinking absolutely perfect right now (with airtime). Classic bordeaux slightly on the austere side of the spectrum - tart plum and raspberry fruit. Cassis, tobacco, touch of wood on the nose. Lots of minerality and fine dusty tannins providing a backbone to the structure. Long finish.
Quite different than the 2012 Clos du Marquis tasted a few weeks ago and much more enjoyable at this stage.
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Nose: Bright cherry fruit, thorny dark raspberry, stone. Palate: Surprisingly hard to pick out anything, rock powder and some background ripe cranberry emerge with time in the glass. Perhaps this is closed down now (not sure I've ever experienced this phenomenon), but it's very even overall on the palate.
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Medium-deep colour. Very fragrant, the nose is really very good. On the palate it's very well balanced, but on the light side. Still, there's quite a lot going on here. The finish is medium-length and slightly fresh, with some underlying acidity.
Overall very agreeable, and a success for the vintage. Ready to drink.
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Made from 42% Merlot, 40% Cabernet Sauvignon and 18% Petit Verdot. The 18% PV are rather unusually high for 2012, given low yield and quality for PV in that year. 37% new barriques maturation.
2h decant, which seemed alright. Dark red-black colour. Palate feels well integrated with black berries, lots o grip tannins, tobacco, oak, olives, and pepper. Medium to long finish.
Early to mid drinking window I assume and ready to drink imo.
Dark ruby red, subtle cassis, black fruits, soft oak, earthy notes and mineral background. Full body and nice structure, firm tannins but the whole remains fresh. Fresh bitter, somewhat reminiscent of black tea. Long finish.
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Ready to drink, medium-bodied, classically-classically-styled, with a nose of tobacco, cedar, green pepper and bright red fruits, the wine is slightly lean on the palate with fresh, bright, crisp red fruits in the finish.
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Lighter weight (and lower alcohol) than other recent Meyney vintages, but fairly typical flavor profile. Still youthful, drinking well with just a little air. Nice, but at $40 it's not the best value.
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I blame my prior note on a bad bottle as this one showed me wrong. Very nice punch structure and long strong fruity finish. All I want from St. Estephe. In drinking window.
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Frische Fruchtaromen von Waldbeeren und Himbeere. Noch leicht verschlossen und etwas raue Tannine, die sich nach ca. 1-2 Std. doch noch schmeichelhaft samtig legen.
Irgendwie ist der Genuss aber etwas verhalten, für mich noch ein Jungspund. Er braucht noch etwas Zeit, dann könnte alles noch weit harmonischer und balancierter wirken.
Gegenwärtig überwiegen die etwas aufdringlichen Aromen von unreifer Paprika (Cabernet Sauvignon?) und schwarzen Oliven. Dezent hingegen die Waldpilze. Ich freue mich, die nächste Flasche ab 2023 zu probieren.
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In the nose as expected with dark berries and a nice tobacco note. Some cherries as well. Nice and straightforward, maybe lacking some complexity. On the palate less fruit, but with a nice freshness and good length in the finish. Light bitter note to me, moderat tannins. Nice wine at the beginning of its drinking window I would say.
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Wine 2, in a blind flight of six 2011 - 2013 Bordeaux, including a Château Meyney vertical.
Interesting bouquet of dark chocolate, espresso grounds, blackcurrant, muddled thick petal flowers, and graphite. The palate did not match the bouquet. Indeed, lacking structure and notably clipped. The disappointment of the flight. The bouquet pushes the score to 88 points.
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It has an intense full nose of fruit with black currant and blueberry. Full palate of black berries a hint of coffee and a fresh and strong backbone of red cherries. It feels like a genuine St-Estèphe in a modern style. The finish is medium to long and displays more leather and coffee notes. This one has more to give but is already now and enjoyable classic.
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From 375 ml. Medium-dark crimson color. Very tertiary nose, with the bittersweet aroma of plums and a smoky, ashy aroma. The palate is similarly plummy, being mostly smoothly textured throughout the mouth and into the finish. The same ashy note from the nose is discernible around the perimeter. There's not a ton of tannic support left here, but on the upside it's drinking nicely now. Tasty Bordeaux at optimal maturity.
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Nice purple-carmine colour. On the nose, it is clearly St-Estèphe - intense black-blue fruits. After exposure to air, aromas of caramel, blackcurrants, coffee and gingerbread. On the palate, the attack is frank and quite bitter. Same aromas as on the nose, but behind the very present bitterness. Medium length. The next day, it is a little softer. Clearly St-Estèphe. Good wine, but I think I will pass my turn on the 2012 vintage. I’ll give it 88 as potential, though today it isn’t particularly pleasant unless you let it breath 24 hours.
Belle robe carmin. Au nez, c'est le St-Estèphe - fruits noirs intense, une touche de caramel après beaucoup d'aération, ainsi que cassis, café et pain d’épice. En bouche, l'attaque est franche avec une note amère bien prononcée et des tannins bien présents. Longueur moyenne, mais bien amère, j'insiste. Le lendemain, ça s'adoucit un peu. C'est clairement un St-Estèphe dans l'âme. Bon vin dans l'ensemble, mais je passe mon tour pour le 2012. Je note 88 au niveau potentiel, quoiqu’aujourd’hui, le vin est un peu dur (refermé), du coup il faut presque le faire respirer 24 heures.
4/3/2024 - Silver Thunder wrote: 88 Points
Aerated 4 hrs. Nothing special. Not much going on here and would not recommend this for collectors. Just not up to the level of complexity or QPR you can get from other St. Estephe's like the 2nd wine of Calon Segur: Marquis for instance blows this Meyney away. Don't want to be too harsh but worth the note. Tannins were soft, fruit barely apparent, and green hay prevalent. Paired with flat iron steak and grilled vegetables.
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4/3/2024 - djhammond Likes this wine: 91 Points
Constructed to drink at a young age, this still needs a few hours in the decanter to really come alive. One of the best value estates from St Estephe, it always punches above its weight. This is no exception, and is a bridge between Cru Bourgeois and growth Bordeaux wines, generally both in terms of quality and price. It is very approachable and easy to drink.
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4/1/2024 - Rallerboy888 Likes this wine: 92 Points
Drinking very well now! Very charming, great density of fruit and some mature tones. Might actually be better in 3-5 years.
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3/31/2024 - Portland Seth wrote:
This bottle was very oaky, I think the fruit will fade before the oak integrates.
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1/14/2024 - jour-et-nuit wrote:
First bottle of an OWC-12. I bought the case on the clear recommendation of the Southwold Tasting "2012 Ten Years On" reported by Thomas Parker and published on 4th February 2022.
In fact, this bottle leaves me a little bit perplexed. The nose is fine and impressive (Merlot). It reminds me rather of right bank Pomerol.
But after this pretty entry, what happens then ? Hm, the wine is not green or hollow; but maybe a little weak in the middle. And the finish is hard and in fact quite short and tannic. These impressions only changed a single iota with more air (retasted some hours on the same evening and then after 24 and 48 hours and finally on the third day).
So either the wine is still too young to put everything in harmony and one has to be patient or this is the modern style of Meyney which you can't compare to the older vintages. (cf. the vertical MEYNEY-tasting 1954-2017: "Keine graue Maus mehr: Chateau Meyney 1954 – 2017", 12. November 2020 / Sebastian Schwander - https://mybestwine.ch/frankreich/reports-bordeaux/keine-graue-maus-mehr-chateau-meyney-1954-2017/
Or, there is some bottle variation ... and you try to be lucky with the next bottle!
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11/25/2023 - Philip_Bundpropperne Likes this wine: 90 Points
Rating: 4,0/5,0.
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11/23/2023 - kronfeld wrote:
Came on very strong and tannic on PnP. But then (after decant and 45 mins) died off almost entirely. Don't know. I'll wait another year or two and try again.
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11/18/2023 - djhammond Likes this wine: 90 Points
At the beginning of its drinking window, this needs a lot of air to open up. However, once it does, it is approachable and very pleasant to drink with cherry and chocolate notes with lingering cedar. At present the tannin on the finish does distract.
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11/8/2023 - Portland Seth Likes this wine: 91 Points
New leather, cassis, bay leaf, baker's chocolate, fennel. Not as good as the '09 or the '16 but just entering its drinking window so it might improve. I almost scored this 92 but the bitter chocolate is a little too strong.
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10/14/2023 - ducster72 Likes this wine: 91 Points
W/sous vide duck breast. Decanted for ~90 minutes. Beautiful, deep black cassis fruit and serious, no joke tannins. I enjoyed this this evening, but have to believe this will continue to get better over the next ten years. A lot more wine here than most 2012s.
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7/23/2023 - bucktown wrote: 90 Points
First Meyney I've tried. It's a hard hitter of clay terroir like much of St. Estephe. It is drinking relatively well right now and only needed about an hour to come into its own. It was consumed over 3 days with day 1 notes consisted of fernet, cola, mocha, and iodine. Day 3 softened some of those harder edges and developed a nice cardamom note. Longer aging of 5-10 more years will probably allow more of those gentler aromas to develop. If you like bold terroir driven St. Estephe's at a good QPR, then give Meyney a try.
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7/17/2023 - Bonvivant99 Likes this wine: 91 Points
BV91 - 32EUR
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This is textbook bordeaux; who says they think red wine can't be minerally?
Like shoving your face in a stinky pile of dirt. Lead and wet rocks. Mud and beetroot. Dried leaves and branches. Tobacco and leather.
2012 is such a consumer vintage. Restaurants won't put this on their wine list because it's not prestigious enough, don't mind that at all because there's more for us wine drinkers at affordable prices. Drink now or within the next 3 years. Decanter not required.
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7/9/2023 - d'Yquembe Mutombo wrote: 92 Points
Needs a minimum of 2 hours in the decanter and preferably 12-24. Don't even think about ordering this at a restaurant. Drinking absolutely perfect right now (with airtime). Classic bordeaux slightly on the austere side of the spectrum - tart plum and raspberry fruit. Cassis, tobacco, touch of wood on the nose. Lots of minerality and fine dusty tannins providing a backbone to the structure. Long finish.
Quite different than the 2012 Clos du Marquis tasted a few weeks ago and much more enjoyable at this stage.
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6/28/2023 - stamperb Likes this wine: 90 Points
Nose: Bright cherry fruit, thorny dark raspberry, stone. Palate: Surprisingly hard to pick out anything, rock powder and some background ripe cranberry emerge with time in the glass. Perhaps this is closed down now (not sure I've ever experienced this phenomenon), but it's very even overall on the palate.
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6/16/2023 - MostlyFrance Likes this wine:
Really wonderful and excellent value.
Cool mint fruit. Wonderful St. Estephe. Long finish. Lovely
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3/11/2023 - Richard Nabavi Likes this wine: 91 Points
Medium-deep colour. Very fragrant, the nose is really very good. On the palate it's very well balanced, but on the light side. Still, there's quite a lot going on here. The finish is medium-length and slightly fresh, with some underlying acidity.
Overall very agreeable, and a success for the vintage. Ready to drink.
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2/15/2023 - Slaithwaite Palace Likes this wine: 94 Points
Dark ruby-ink red, black fruits and cassis, framed by well-integrated soft oak, earth and minerality. Full body and long finish.
Very good value
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1/15/2022 - -Tim- Likes this wine: 91 Points
Made from 42% Merlot, 40% Cabernet Sauvignon and 18% Petit Verdot. The 18% PV are rather unusually high for 2012, given low yield and quality for PV in that year. 37% new barriques maturation.
2h decant, which seemed alright.
Dark red-black colour. Palate feels well integrated with black berries, lots o grip tannins, tobacco, oak, olives, and pepper. Medium to long finish.
Early to mid drinking window I assume and ready to drink imo.
Gabriel: 18p
Wine Enthusiast: 90p
Vinous: 91p
Suckling: 91p
Parker: 90p
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8/22/2021 - LucV Likes this wine: 93 Points
Dark ruby red, subtle cassis, black fruits, soft oak, earthy notes and mineral background. Full body and nice structure, firm tannins but the whole remains fresh. Fresh bitter, somewhat reminiscent of black tea. Long finish.
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6/16/2021 - Jeff Leve wrote: 89 Points
Ready to drink, medium-bodied, classically-classically-styled, with a nose of tobacco, cedar, green pepper and bright red fruits, the wine is slightly lean on the palate with fresh, bright, crisp red fruits in the finish.
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5/13/2021 - racerchris Likes this wine: 90 Points
Lighter weight (and lower alcohol) than other recent Meyney vintages, but fairly typical flavor profile. Still youthful, drinking well with just a little air. Nice, but at $40 it's not the best value.
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4/15/2021 - pilatus88 wrote: 90 Points
I blame my prior note on a bad bottle as this one showed me wrong. Very nice punch structure and long strong fruity finish. All I want from St. Estephe. In drinking window.
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1/30/2021 - pilatus88 Likes this wine: 88 Points
A little bit disappointed as it has not developed as hoped. Still good but not great.
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12/24/2020 - Axelpeter wrote: 87 Points
Zh) etwas rauh, (noch?) verschlossen, nicht zum allein trinken, wird sich wohl auch nicht mehr weiterentwickeln
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12/23/2020 - Mipesu Likes this wine: 90 Points
Frische Fruchtaromen von Waldbeeren und Himbeere. Noch leicht verschlossen und etwas raue Tannine, die sich nach ca. 1-2 Std. doch noch schmeichelhaft samtig legen.
Irgendwie ist der Genuss aber etwas verhalten, für mich noch ein Jungspund. Er braucht noch etwas Zeit, dann könnte alles noch weit harmonischer und balancierter wirken.
Gegenwärtig überwiegen die etwas aufdringlichen Aromen von unreifer Paprika (Cabernet Sauvignon?) und schwarzen Oliven. Dezent hingegen die Waldpilze. Ich freue mich, die nächste Flasche ab 2023 zu probieren.
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4/29/2020 - Opus 52 Likes this wine: 89 Points
In the nose as expected with dark berries and a nice tobacco note. Some cherries as well. Nice and straightforward, maybe lacking some complexity. On the palate less fruit, but with a nice freshness and good length in the finish. Light bitter note to me, moderat tannins. Nice wine at the beginning of its drinking window I would say.
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1/27/2020 - Anesbaba Likes this wine: 87 Points
Good bouquet and beautiful wine, but in this vintage not worth the extra money compared to other good/cheaper Cru bourgeois chateaus
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3/25/2019 - Motz wrote: 88 Points
Wine 2, in a blind flight of six 2011 - 2013 Bordeaux, including a Château Meyney vertical.
Interesting bouquet of dark chocolate, espresso grounds, blackcurrant, muddled thick petal flowers, and graphite. The palate did not match the bouquet. Indeed, lacking structure and notably clipped. The disappointment of the flight. The bouquet pushes the score to 88 points.
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2/24/2019 - pilatus88 Likes this wine: 90 Points
It has an intense full nose of fruit with black currant and blueberry. Full palate of black berries a hint of coffee and a fresh and strong backbone of red cherries. It feels like a genuine St-Estèphe in a modern style. The finish is medium to long and displays more leather and coffee notes. This one has more to give but is already now and enjoyable classic.
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3/5/2018 - NineteenEightyTwo Likes this wine: 89 Points
From 375 ml. Medium-dark crimson color. Very tertiary nose, with the bittersweet aroma of plums and a smoky, ashy aroma. The palate is similarly plummy, being mostly smoothly textured throughout the mouth and into the finish. The same ashy note from the nose is discernible around the perimeter. There's not a ton of tannic support left here, but on the upside it's drinking nicely now. Tasty Bordeaux at optimal maturity.
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5/22/2015 - ChristopherB wrote: 88 Points
Nice purple-carmine colour. On the nose, it is clearly St-Estèphe - intense black-blue fruits. After exposure to air, aromas of caramel, blackcurrants, coffee and gingerbread. On the palate, the attack is frank and quite bitter. Same aromas as on the nose, but behind the very present bitterness. Medium length. The next day, it is a little softer. Clearly St-Estèphe. Good wine, but I think I will pass my turn on the 2012 vintage. I’ll give it 88 as potential, though today it isn’t particularly pleasant unless you let it breath 24 hours.
Belle robe carmin. Au nez, c'est le St-Estèphe - fruits noirs intense, une touche de caramel après beaucoup d'aération, ainsi que cassis, café et pain d’épice. En bouche, l'attaque est franche avec une note amère bien prononcée et des tannins bien présents. Longueur moyenne, mais bien amère, j'insiste. Le lendemain, ça s'adoucit un peu. C'est clairement un St-Estèphe dans l'âme. Bon vin dans l'ensemble, mais je passe mon tour pour le 2012. Je note 88 au niveau potentiel, quoiqu’aujourd’hui, le vin est un peu dur (refermé), du coup il faut presque le faire respirer 24 heures.
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4/23/2013 - Jeff Leve wrote: 89 Points
Earth, forest and cassis notes shift to a medium-bodied, cassis-filled wine that should drink well young. 88-90 Pts
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