5/1/24, 5:33 PM - Thanks for note Zimmy and everyone's advice. I had a similar experience as you saw in my note from last week. I'll probably return my remaining 5 bottles. Just have to go to the effort to ship them back, which is non-trivial and requires waiting until the Fall.
5/1/24, 6:32 PM - Zimmy, I couldn't agree more. I love wine, but I wasn't born with a hypersensitive palate. I envy those who have that, along with a bunch of other things I wasn't born with, like height, type-2 muscle fibers, charm, good looks, money, a stable family... If passing the Master Somm test were only an intellectual exercise, I'd do it for the pleasure and passion. But it's also a physical one, which limits me sadly. All that said, I did notice the ash, and that prevents this from being proper Monte Bello. On the one hand, loyalty makes me want to suck it up. I don't return the occasional corked bottle, after all. But it's an entire vintage. So I probably will return these.
4/25/24, 6:22 PM - Thanks for the comments. I had no idea they were accepting the vintage back. That's not an option for me because they shipped it to me in Texas, and I don't want to go through the hassle of figuring out how to ship it back next winter. I'll suck it up and still enjoy these, though not as much as usual vintages. If, as an alternative, they offered a bonus bottle or two from another vintage, I'd be happy with that alternative.
3/10/24, 8:39 PM - @brian glas, your Barbie analogy resonates, though I was surprised to enjoy Barbie the movie far more than expected, whereas I enjoyed The Boy less. Suckling's team keeps rating The Boy 98/99, which shows their palates differ greatly from mine. Not saying either is right or wrong. I'm ambivalent on it for its reasonable price, and they rate it one of the world's better wines independent of price. I wish I could find a $30-40 wine I rated 99.
3/8/24, 2:50 PM - I'm delighted to see someone of your tasting experience rate an MB so highly. Ridge MB is my favorite New World red hands down. (Dunn Howell Mountain with 20-40 years age is #2.) I've been collecting MB since 2001, and only now are my first vintages (plus 2011) starting to peak. MB, from Silicon Valley not Napa, isn't even that well known in the US. Glad it made it your way and pleased you as much as it does me.
3/3/24, 5:33 PM - Loved your note. This is one of the best whites I've ever enjoyed. I have one other bottle and no realistic hope of ever finding another. Just wondering when to crack the second one.
2/22/24, 4:12 AM - Thanks EMAZurich. Wait I will then.
2/15/24, 5:04 AM - I didn't love my prior bottle, relative to the hype and price, either. The bright lemon/citrus doesn't appeal to me in the same way that yeasty mousse, say from Krug, does. I also prefer softer, prettier Champagnes, like Egly-Ouriet and Ulysse Collin (the one time I've tried it). So factor in my style preference. I'm no expert in comparing one vintage of Cristal to another.
1/31/24, 7:01 AM - Hi Seth. We opened and drank the first half of the bottle on night one, after a big wine dinner. It then sat for another two days breathing until we finished the bottle. My notes were written after the second tasting on day three.
2/1/24, 6:50 AM - Yes. Seemed more open and delineated at day three.
12/26/23, 3:52 PM - I concur on all points. MB is also my favorite and most-collected American wine, and the 2011 is ready 10 years earlier than most vintages. Looks like I gave the 2011 ratings of 95 and 96 over the last year, but then I'm a relatively generous grader. 2011 is the only vintage from 2009 (when my vertical resumes) onward that I'm currently drinking. Cheers.
8/16/23, 5:38 AM - I had the same experience with the two bottles I've opened. Saving my other 10 and hoping they come around to reward the extreme patience.
7/27/23, 6:20 AM - I have not but will look for it on your recommendation. Thanks.
6/14/23, 8:46 AM - Agree 100%. Have had this twice, and it's undoubtedly the best Bordeaux or Bordeaux blend I've ever experienced. I've given 100 points to a few others (Latour 1982, PLL 1982), but 1989 HB for me is my favorite and benchmark.
4/21/23, 8:18 PM - Thanks for taking the time to write such a thoughtful review.
4/19/23, 4:03 PM - No, we did not pre-decant.
3/19/23, 6:06 AM - Hi oldwines. I should have taken the time to note that I did decant for 2 hours before taking a first sip, and then consumed over 1.5 hours after that. I'll go back and revise. As others had recommended in their reviews of this and other Mt Edens, 2 hours improves the wine, so I went with that.
3/2/23, 9:00 AM - My comparison point are the handful of top-rated New World Syrahs in their same prestige universe, such as Sine Qua Non, Cayuse, Saxum, and the top Aussie Shirazes. I consider Alban hitting a middle-ground between those and the top Northern Rhones.
2/3/23, 7:27 PM - Great note. $100/bottle now? Ouch. Best bottles might merit that, but I wouldn't pay it. That's Foillard 3.14 territory.
12/11/22, 7:08 PM - Agreeing with your Lafite comparison. Had a 1982 Lafite last week, and it was enjoyable but tired. The two 1982 Pichons I've had in the last two years were singularly perfect wines. No comparison. The 1982 Pichon is special. Cheers.
11/23/22, 3:50 PM - Zimmy, I wish you many more decades of health with which to enjoy this. Save a few bottles for your kids, but enjoy most of them yourself. Happy Thanksgiving!
11/23/22, 4:29 PM - Agree on how much better these get with 20 years age. I drank a 2000 Ducru a couple years ago without decant and was blown away. That instantly turned me into a Ducru fan, though I only have two more bottles of that 2000 as aged Ducru. I'm happy buying more now in the hopes that I'll be here in 20 to enjoy them. May you be too!
11/8/22, 5:15 AM - Yes I believe it was decanted. A friend contributed so can’t remember for sure.
11/4/22, 5:25 AM - That's one of the best comments ever. I'm going to have to gamble a bottle on a 3-8 day decant and left hand swirl. Thanks!
10/30/22, 3:50 PM - Hi El_Dougo. A friend contributed this bottle. I'm guessing that it had no more than an hour of decant. Given the age, I think slow-ox for a few hours, rather than decant, is a good way to go. His bottle had just been driven across several states before consumption, so it wasn't in pristine condition. But it was so rich and decadent that it stood up to those conditions just fine. Enjoy!
9/10/22, 6:09 PM - I agree. Have been drinking through a case over many years. Most recent bottles were the best yet. This is peaking now, IMO.
9/10/22, 6:06 PM - Your note in remembrance of the Queen and honor of the new King was lovely. Choice of 2016 Palmer - exceptional. Cheers to you and America's friends in the UK.
9/2/22, 6:53 PM - Thanks, fingers. Their 2017 Domaine wine was a life-affirming experience for me. All six bottles I bought blew my mind. The barnyard and green pepper was so good from the first taste. A second half-case of a different Baudry wasn't quite so good. This one, the 2019 Guillot, has even more to it than the first, but isn't as mindblowing young. I think it will surpass the 2017 Domaine in time. How much time? The stuffing is here for many years, I think. I've bought a number of bottles of Rougeard over the years and opened several. Everyone says "wait", as in decades. My point on this one: for $33, fall in love now. 5-10 years from now, you might even propose, at least if you can one and only one spouse in each price point. (It's rival in the world of <$35 red wine, for me, would be Foillard Cote du Py. For my wife, it would be Ste. Cosme Gigondas.)
6/13/22, 5:42 AM - @Lord of the Bottles, all bottles were prepared by the winemaker and Ch. Palmer staff. So I'm guessing 4 hours+ of decant. They wouldn't have been time-constrained in giving it a full proper decant.
6/13/22, 6:20 AM - I have not tried both. My understanding is that the 2016 is a more elegant vintage, especially relative to 2018, but probably also 2015. But does that make it better drinking now, or better saved for something ethereally spectacular later? Not sure myself. I do what you do and pour over the CT notes to try to find out. The 2016 was great now, and if the other vintages tried alongside it (including 1991) are any guide, could become perfect at peak.
5/27/22, 5:23 AM - @jsmorris, thanks for taking the time to comment. Much as I geek out on wine, I don't have a golden palate and would never presume my preferences are appropriate for others. Your perspective makes a lot of sense to me. I appreciate it.
5/1/22, 6:41 PM - Loved your note. I have four more bottles of this. Almost picked this of all bottles in my cellar earlier this week, but a friend brought Guiberteau red, so I opened a Blanc de Breze. Can't wait to revisit!
4/26/22, 5:46 PM - I like your comment. I have several bottles of the 2010, 2011, and 2012. But last year I tried a 20 year old Galardi. It blew my mind. Thick unctuous mushroom. So good. One wouldn't know without someone sharing. Saving mine for sure. It's a tough call to clog cellar space for 20 years. My sample size of one says Galardi rewards it.
4/26/22, 8:41 PM - 2001
3/17/22, 9:31 AM - Zimmy, we have similar preferences and cellars, it would seem. Since we're both in Austin, we need to figure out a way to connect. There doesn't seem to be a private message feature on CT, but if you send me a message via LinkedIn, we can connect that way. Cheers.
2/17/22, 12:10 PM - 2 of my 4 bottles so far have been great. I'd buy more if I had the chance.
2/15/22, 4:15 AM - Source looks to be the Tanzer review. Not sure how this gets filled in. Sometimes, it's CT entries, and sometimes, it's professional reviews.
2/12/22, 9:54 AM - Thanks Motz! It takes extra effort for me to write a good note because my tasting skills and palate sensitivity fall far short of my passion for wine. It makes me happy when one of them is worth the read. Cheers.
12/10/21, 12:24 PM - @sman, thanks for your valuable perspectives. The vintage point makes much sense. Appreciate it!
8/1/21, 8:25 PM - Thanks oldwines. I wouldn't be surprised if this performs another 20 years. But it's drinking great now. It'll reward a good decant and make a special evening. Cheers.
7/1/21, 7:26 AM - oldwines, that's great to hear! I still have many bottles of 2008, 2010, 2012 aging. Will enjoy them fully throughout their lifespans. Cheers to you!
6/20/21, 6:09 PM - Sourdough, I noticed that you rate few wines 90+. For this to get 97 from you is a big deal. The Pantelleria Ben Rye is my favorite wine in the world for the money, year in and out. We share a common affection for this under-heralded gem.
6/3/21, 6:24 PM - What a great tasting note. Thanks! I have a 5 liter bottle of it. Your note makes me so eager to drink it at some point, 5-20 years from now. (Have plenty of other 1980s/1990s Dunn HM to tied me over until then.) Cheers.
5/6/21, 4:03 PM - Richard, I agree! The self-control was from friends, who provided and opened the bottle (along with 2000 Mouton and 1971 d'Yquem) and saved plenty of each for me to enjoy with them, five nights later. Good friends indeed!
5/7/21, 4:55 AM - 71 Yquem will be re-opened tonight with foie gras. Cheers.
4/27/21, 9:14 AM - Drink. Since they've been sitting in a garage without proper long-term storage, they aren't in a condition where you can sell them. Cheers.
4/14/21, 6:42 AM - I have two more bottles (plus five of Sleeping Lady) and will probably save them for better maturity. Cracked this and a Reserve early just to try the winery and avoid suspense. Also wanted to add comments to CT for others who value crowd reactions after the glowing pro reviews. Enjoy!
4/14/21, 10:54 AM - No, I will also let the SL bottles mature more before trying one. Cheers.
3/28/21, 8:01 AM - Hi MJP. I don't know and would have to look that up. Cheers.
3/16/21, 11:48 AM - brun05, my note was for the 2010, but I have additional 2009s in my cellar. Cheers.
3/4/21, 1:21 PM - Yeah, I really loved it. But my preferences are not the American norm. My favorite American cabs are Ridge MB and Dunn HM. Mayacamas is beautiful to me in the same vein as those, but drinkable younger due to less heavy terroir.
2/18/21, 6:05 PM - Nice note, RKWW. I have a 5L bottle of this (and a 5L of the 1992). No idea when I'll open it, but I figure it can last another 30 years, so a special occasion for sure. I've been selectively opening other Dunns from the 1980s and early 1990s, and every one has crushed it. First bottle from a case of 2001 also amazed. Old Dunn is as good as it gets from the US.
2/18/21, 7:57 PM - Is the 2017 Trailer for sale yet? If so, how can one get it? I just bought some 2013 El Camino on re-release from the winery. As far as I could tell, they weren't selling the 2017 Trailer yet. Correct?
2/13/21, 9:21 AM - If you ever get a chance, try Foillard’s 3.14. That’s a great special occasion Beaujolais for sure. Cheers.
2/13/21, 11:28 AM - Spot on, chewiness. I have more German Riesling in my cellar (cases and cases and cases) than all other whites combined. Love it! And have left 95-ish scores for extraordinary but inexpensive dry Rieslings, Kabinetts and Spaetleses when merited. At their best, they provide a striking beauty unmatched by any sub-$50 Chardonnay, Sauv Blanc, or Rhone white, IMO. All varietals can be great when price isn't limited, but nothing comes close to great German Riesling <$40. And that's in their youth. Given them 20 years to age, and now we're talking paradise.
2/14/21, 8:36 AM - Foillard Corcellette and CdP are even cheaper here in the US. Roughly $37/bottle by the case including tax. Only in the last couple years, numerous US pro reviewers (Wine Advocate, Vinous, John Gilman, Suckling) have started giving 95+ scores to the very top Beaujolais bottlings, including Foillard, Desvignes, Lapierre, Thivin, Bouland. But that's only in the last 5-7 years. That's about when I discovered great Beaujo for myself, so I can't comment on whether the wine has reached a new threshold or just reviewers have moved their scales. In this case, I think the pro reviewers have it right and the CT crowds are still catching up.
1/14/21, 9:26 PM - Smuckers grape jelly does not benefit from age. This wine didn't have any of the characteristics of a wine that benefits from time.
12/28/20, 7:29 AM - Hi PortlandSeth. I do think they will recover. We have drunk through cases of Saint-Damien from 2007, 2009, and 2010, and we're working on multiple cases from 2015 and 2016. In their youth, they're rich, bright, and fruit-forward. After 8-10 years of age, they develop nice secondary flavors of forest floor, mushroom, etc. I've enjoyed Gigondas with age up to 14 years, but don't have experience with them beyond that age. Good wines from good vintages are still nice, but on the decline. I tend to think their second peak is at 10 years. Unlike great CdP, which I don't even start drinking until 10+ years old, I start drinking my unfinished Gigondas then. Hope that helps.
12/10/20, 6:47 PM - Thanks bullmkt. I have a full case and will follow your guidance to give many of the bottles more time.
11/29/20, 10:57 AM - The Schrader was terrific, as evidenced by its second place on a phenomenal lineup. Others had it rated 1st, and I think my preference for the Chiappini really just came down to a style preference. Had we drunk the Schrader on its own and been able to focus on its strengths, perhaps I would have given it an even higher score. If you have multiple bottles, I would definitely drink one now. It has plenty of luscious fruit to enjoy in its youth. There are plenty of other wines whose youthful fruit is not the highlight, and that need to turn to secondary flavors (after much more time) to be their best. (I put Dunn, Ridge MB, and even Paul Hobbs in that camp.) But the Schrader is great now and, probably, for quite some time.
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