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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 6/28/2016 6:19:56 PM

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Everything looks great. With the early veraison in the area, why would you thin the crop?? Especially on the Gewurztraminer i would hang the larger crop to help keep development and sugar levels down until later in the season when the weather cools, unless you want 14% alcohol white wines (yuk!). I have good development in my yard, but i will push off crop thinning until very late because otherwise the sugar levels will go through the roof during the warmer days of August.

Given your lack of trees do you have a bird problem?? My yard is angry birds attacking 24-7 come August....brutal.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 6/28/2016 8:43:24 PM

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I just saw a vignette of OPB OR Field Guide episode of raptors patrolling the vineyards. Eyrie and Raptor Ridge are on the right track.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 6/29/2016 4:24:00 AM

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I just saw a vignette of OPB OR Field Guide episode of raptors patrolling the vineyards. Eyrie and Raptor Ridge are on the right track.

I could have the 1940 London air defense and still have bird damage in my yard.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 6/29/2016 8:41:30 AM

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I recall on a visit some time ago to Ponzi, having observed their vineyard next to a large wood lot asking if they had a bird problem. Dick said they just give the birds the first three rows.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 6/29/2016 10:47:28 AM

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Our area is naturally mostly sage dessert but there are some native evergreens, cottonwoods, etc... (Cowiche is said to mean footbridge between the desert and the mountains) and the orchards have thousands (millions?) of trees within a few mile radius of us, so the bird population is dense, particularly in whatever fruit crop is ripe at any particular time. Folks here use air cannons, scarecrows, netting, and all other manner of bird deterrent. It sounds like a war zone sometimes when the air cannons are in constant use across our little valley.

I've heard the "sacrifice a few rows" theory before, but birds don't know how to read the row markers, and in my case with only 43 rows exposed on a 4 sides, I'd be giving up a bunch of yield if I donated some intentionally for the birds. We do have a good raptor bird population too, hawks, eagles, owls all live here, but the magpies are too big and mean for even the largest raptor.

The more I look at whole field netting, that seems most efficient and cost effective. I need to price some wider nets, I think they told me 50 feet wide, maybe wider. But I might need 30 - 7 foot tall people to deploy them. We'll see.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 6/29/2016 12:13:39 PM

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Sorry, Chris, but a vision of you teetering about your vineyard on stilts, fighting with netting, gave me a bona fide "LOL" moment.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 6/30/2016 8:18:46 AM

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Do you have any, say, newphews that around around 12-16 years old? All I know is that I, at that age, with my air rifle...all I needed was a buck an animal (ground squirrels ("gravediggers" as my grandpa called them) were our issue, not as much bird), and I was a frequent, willing assistant on our ranch! Just sayin'...

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 6/30/2016 8:35:52 PM

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Gettin' a bit off track but when the leash law went into effect around here the squirrel population spiked. Now that we have coyotes visiting the neighborhood the squirrels seem to have taken a vacation.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/1/2016 8:07:16 AM

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Gettin' a bit off track but when the leash law went into effect around here the squirrel population spiked. Now that we have coyotes visiting the neighborhood the squirrels seem to have taken a vacation.

That's funny. Not too many years ago, at our prior house, the back door was glass and you could see directly through it into the back yard as soon as you came in the front door. I came home from work one afternoon to see my Springer Spaniel, Olive, looking quite proud of herself, clearly a bit more eager than usual to see me. Sure enough, as I got closer, there was a furry little (okay, surprisingly large) squirrel she had somehow captured. She didn't do anything to the body, just let it sitting right there next to her to show me how proud she was. I heaped praise.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/10/2016 2:08:52 PM

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Still Lactose Free Pinot Noir. Now with a side of eggs.

I count an even dozen. I'm pretty sure these belong to a Chukar. http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/chukar They are plentiful around here, and these will provide even more.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/10/2016 3:00:47 PM

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Chris, I think those are California Quail eggs. Chukars don't like people, but Cal Quail do alright around us, in Pullman I saw them walking down the sidewalk.

Let us know if you get a picture of the hen on the nest.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/10/2016 3:28:33 PM

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Chris, I think those are California Quail eggs. Chukars don't like people, but Cal Quail do alright around us, in Pullman I saw them walking down the sidewalk.

Let us know if you get a picture of the hen on the nest.

Yes, you're probably right. The ground birds I see most often have that little head plume. I'll see if I can catch the hen in residence over the next couple of weeks.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/10/2016 6:49:57 PM

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No veraison as of yet Chris? Bird netting will be going up here in a few weeks.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/10/2016 7:00:44 PM

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No veraison as of yet Chris? Bird netting will be going up here in a few weeks.

No. Most of my berries are still growing I think. I picked a few today and all are hard and very green. Our temp has been cooler for past week or so, only hit about 75 today with lots of wind, so the fast start we got in the spring has slowed down. This site tracks the AVA trends and shows that trend for the whole state. Hotter than hell in April/May. Big slow down in June.
http://wine.wsu.edu/research-extension/weather/growing-degree-days/ I'd like to track and calculate my own, but my weather station device was too rinky dink to do that. I might add a more real weather station, but oddly I don't think that will change the weather.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/11/2016 5:02:03 AM

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No veraison as of yet Chris? Bird netting will be going up here in a few weeks.

No. Most of my berries are still growing I think. I picked a few today and all are hard and very green. Our temp has been cooler for past week or so, only hit about 75 today with lots of wind, so the fast start we got in the spring has slowed down. This site tracks the AVA trends and shows that trend for the whole state. Hotter than hell in April/May. Big slow down in June.
http://wine.wsu.edu/research-extension/weather/growing-degree-days/ I'd like to track and calculate my own, but my weather station device was too rinky dink to do that. I might add a more real weather station, but oddly I don't think that will change the weather.

Chris i think you might find that despite the normal variations in weather that your vines will go through veraison about the same time every year. Mine might start growing at different times, but almost always bloom and go through veraison at about the same times. Harvest is also very similar.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/11/2016 8:51:54 AM

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What a strange weather pattern the Yakima Valley is in right now! I was there last weekend for the 4th of July, and it was barely 80 degrees in Wapato on the 3rd! I remember how horribly hot it was last year at that same time! I'm sure it'll come back, but it sure was strange to be donning a sweatshirt in the evening in JULY!

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/11/2016 12:38:39 PM

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No veraison as of yet Chris? Bird netting will be going up here in a few weeks.

No. Most of my berries are still growing I think. I picked a few today and all are hard and very green. Our temp has been cooler for past week or so, only hit about 75 today with lots of wind, so the fast start we got in the spring has slowed down. This site tracks the AVA trends and shows that trend for the whole state. Hotter than hell in April/May. Big slow down in June.
http://wine.wsu.edu/research-extension/weather/growing-degree-days/ I'd like to track and calculate my own, but my weather station device was too rinky dink to do that. I might add a more real weather station, but oddly I don't think that will change the weather.

Chris i think you might find that despite the normal variations in weather that your vines will go through veraison about the same time every year. Mine might start growing at different times, but almost always bloom and go through veraison at about the same times. Harvest is also very similar.

This thread is my best record of what's going on in the vineyard and I reported seeing veraison in my Pinot Noir about August 15 last year. I have two more work trips planned for July (and maybe more than that) so I'll target end of July/first of August for bird netting installation. Man, this summer is flying by.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/11/2016 5:54:10 PM

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I double checked my records from last year and noticed many of my vines started veraison the last week in July, with my vinifera vines in early August. With that in mind i spent a few hours in my yard today cutting back extra growth and getting the vines in a shape that the bird netting will properly cover. You are fortunate that you have a crew.....i'm a one man crew

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/27/2016 2:59:33 PM

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How do the vines look Chris? I'm already seeing 90% of my vines undergoing veraison, so i expect yours are the same. Is the crew able to give you any rough estimates of anticipated harvest dates?

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/28/2016 8:58:29 AM

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How do the vines look Chris? I'm already seeing 90% of my vines undergoing veraison, so i expect yours are the same. Is the crew able to give you any rough estimates of anticipated harvest dates?

I took a stroll this morning. Veraison is just starting here, maybe 10% color in the Pinot Noir, and nothing in Syrah. Gewurz and Reisling are harder to detect, but I think I have some change just starting in both.

I did smell smoke this morning for the first time this year. From the looks of the horizon there must be some fires up Route 12 toward White Pass/Mt. Rainier. I haven't heard anything on the news, so they may be controlled burns by the forest service.

ETA: I was able to find a prescribed burn information site. https://fortress.wa.gov/dnr/protection/burnrequests/ Yes, they are intentionally burning 120 acres about 20 miles west of me on the mountain between Chinook and White passes. At least this tells me my nose and sense of direction are working right.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 7/28/2016 6:33:30 PM

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Chris, to clarify maybe 90% of my vines have started veraison, but the clusters are far from completely turning red/blue/black. Today i noticed that my Merlot vine was beginning to turn, and my 2nd yr Cabernet Sauvignon is maybe 50% through veraison.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 8/14/2016 11:34:23 AM

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A busy couple of weeks. We've got most of our nets on or ready to go on. Veraison is in full swing with Pinot Noir at about 60-70%, Syrah maybe 30-40%, Gewurz 60-70%, Riesling maybe 40-50%, Viognier hard to tell but good crop for 2 rows worth, Roussanne not enough to worry about, only 4-5 plants with fruit.

My oddest thing is my Riesling which is turning a medium purple color. Maybe it will fade but this is nothing like the Riesling I've picked before down in Prosser. Head scratcher at this point, but maybe this is normal...

Everything else looks like I expected...

Gewurztraminer

Pinot Noir

Syrah

A little kitchen Brix testing. Riesling 14.2, Gewurz 15.0, Pinot Noir 14.0, Syrah 15.5.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 8/14/2016 1:59:21 PM

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Chris- looking very good!

Barb, your kitchen is more versatile than Doc Victor's lab.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 8/14/2016 4:06:12 PM

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Chris - keep in mind that even nurseries make mistakes. I have previously ordered from an outfit in Georgia that was supposed to have sent me a few Seyval Blanc, but instead i believe the grapes were actually deChaunac. It happens. Hopefully it's only a few vines, otherwise i would let them know so they can correct the mistake or refund you.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 8/15/2016 6:58:51 AM

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Hi Chris!

I am 100% on the labeling error. Those cannot be Riesling.

Agree with khm... If it is more than a few it should be addressed.

Anyone for a field blend?

Hang in there!
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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 8/15/2016 5:52:34 PM

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Well, all 300 vines in my Riesling block look the same. They have grown the same leaf color size shape etc.. for a year and a half now, and all the fruit now maturing is getting color. Here's another good looking cluster

I know I've seen Pinot Gris that looks this dark and today I visited Strand Vineyard which is about 2 miles west of me. This sign and this row of grapes looks pretty much same as mine (if a bit less clean if I don't mind saying so)

I've had Naches Heights Vineyard Strand Riesling and it is pale yellow and crystal clear. Based on this little research I think we just grow dark Riesling on Naches Heights. Maybe it's the dirt, or the clone, or the sun angle, or the wind, or all of the above. We might even have terroir.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 8/15/2016 8:31:54 PM

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"Maybe it's the dirt, or the clone, or the sun angle, or the wind, or all of the above. We might even have terroir."

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 8/16/2016 4:16:34 AM

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I would imagine Pinot Gris getting fairly dark, as my Frontenac Gris is a really pretty shade of purple and makes a tasty Rose around here.

Really noticing that my vinifera clusters refuse to go through veraison if they don't have any sun exposure....so some additional leaf pulling will commence this afternoon. Fun times.

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 8/16/2016 4:18:26 AM

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per Wikipedia

"Red Riesling. A very rare version of Riesling which has recently received more attention is Red Riesling (Roter Riesling). As the name suggests, this is a red-skinned clone of Riesling (a skin color commonly found for e.g. Gewürztraminer), but not a dark-skinned clone, i.e., it is still a white wine grape."

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RE: Goat Rocks Vineyard - TRELLISSING Begins! - 8/16/2016 7:15:41 AM

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Hi Chris!

I remain very skeptical that those are Riesling. I would suggest sending a photo to the nursery and ask them what they think it is! And possibly sending a sample to (I assume) WSU ag dept for help...

Very interesting!

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