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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/12/2017 3:55:59 AM   
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Just finished this read. Lengthy, but may appeal to those who grow their own....

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I have purchased a few books on the subject and i do find it interesting and a proper learning experience growing so many different varieties just in my yard. Growing grapes also keeps you on your toes with the weather.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/12/2017 7:13:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the spring I planted half a dozen Nortons and half a dozen Pinot Noirs in Hocking Hills region of Ohio. Planning on expanding the plantings from cuttings every year. We have 85 acres in Hocking Hills. I planted along a ridge with southeast facing exposure. The soil had about 6 inches of clay with sandstone pebbles and shale under. Probably going to be a few years 'til there is much of a crop.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/13/2017 2:32:34 PM   
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In the spring I planted half a dozen Nortons and half a dozen Pinot Noirs in Hocking Hills region of Ohio. Planning on expanding the plantings from cuttings every year. We have 85 acres in Hocking Hills. I planted along a ridge with southeast facing exposure. The soil had about 6 inches of clay with sandstone pebbles and shale under. Probably going to be a few years 'til there is much of a crop.


Good luck with your vines. Keep us posted.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/14/2017 3:56:29 PM   
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In the spring I planted half a dozen Nortons and half a dozen Pinot Noirs in Hocking Hills region of Ohio. Planning on expanding the plantings from cuttings every year. We have 85 acres in Hocking Hills. I planted along a ridge with southeast facing exposure. The soil had about 6 inches of clay with sandstone pebbles and shale under. Probably going to be a few years 'til there is much of a crop.


SE Ohio is easily warm enough for Norton, not sure about the clay soil with Norton however, but i am curious how cold the winters get in that area?? Pinot Noir won't do to well if it gets much below -5 degrees or so and the warm humid summers will most definitely require a solid spray program.

I have a few methods for winter protection of the vinifera vines if you are interested.

Growing for fun? Grape jelly? Wine?

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/17/2017 3:48:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hope to make wine but have a feeling it's going to be more of a learning process than I think. I was thinking of trying to do a blanc de noirs type of thing for the first decade and a pinot/norton red blend later on. Already built deer cages around the plants (which was the first problem I encountered). SE Ohio hasn't had a hard winter for a few years, so we'll see; here's to global warming. I have a plant biology undergrad, so I should be good on most aspects of pest management. I've had some good German Pinots that were grown on sandstone, so that was my impetus. The vines I bought said they were okay for one growing region farther north than me.

One advantage to Ohio is Kentucky still has many cooperages that are cheaper than any others I've ever seen. Until prohibition, Ohio used to make the most wine in the nation. It was along the river just east of Cincy though, which has limestone soil. If you want to ever give Ohio wine a taste, I would recommend Kinkead Ridge or Maple Ridge, respectively. I'm in it just for fun.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/20/2017 5:40:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Surprisingly i'm seeing veraison on a Midwestern variety of seedless grapes known as Trollhaugen, plus several other varieties. It would appear that i will need to begin pulling leaves and cutting back growth in preparation for bird netting here soon.

Merlot & Cabernet Sauvignon should be starting veraison here soon, likely before the end of July.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/24/2017 9:41:36 AM   
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Growing for fun? Grape jelly? Wine?

Hey Karl, Can you explain how you approach grape jelly/jam made from your grapes? We went to our farmers market yesterday where one of the stands had Cab Sauv, Chardonnay, and Merlot jellies (all very nice, flavorful and well done) and I'm thinking about a side batch or two this fall. Any words of wisdom appreciated! Thanks

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/24/2017 12:34:37 PM   
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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/24/2017 9:04:02 PM   
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Surprisingly i'm seeing veraison on a Midwestern variety of seedless grapes known as Trollhaugen, plus several other varieties. It would appear that i will need to begin pulling leaves and cutting back growth in preparation for bird netting here soon.

Merlot & Cabernet Sauvignon should be starting veraison here soon, likely before the end of July.



Wow. I was going to message you to see how the vines were doing. We have had a very wet and humid year. Yet the vines have been on a very good growing spurt though it's slowed. Tons of berries on the Chardonnay but I've had to pluck quite a few berries as there has been some black rot, but with bi-weekly spraying of antifungals i think I am past the powdery mildew worries. I even have some fruit on the few Riesling vines, but it will probably end up as critter snacks.

The briar berries and apple tees in the neighboring woodlands are chalk full of fruit so the critters have been kept at bay. As I walk the dog I see Concord grape vines doing battle with black raspberry vines for space and sunlight everywhere.

Theeet,es gave not been bad this year. I've on,y sprayed twice the mosquitoes and gnats have been bothersome, but controllable. I have all but the top lines of the trellis done, on the bottom 2 rows. My backyard looks more like the micro vineyard I almost forgot. Our raspberries have had a banter year. We already have enough for a large batch of preserves and the bushes still have plenty of fruit that needs picking. That doesn't include the raspberries that only produce fruit in September in which we will have more than enough for another batch of preserves.

I am just so thrilled to see the Riesling I thought list flourishing. They are 4 year olds, so I am hoping next year I will have enough fruit to once again make just over 24 bottles of Riesling without supplementing with Finger Lake juice.

Glad to see that you have veraison just around the corner. I think another few weeks on the Chardonnay though I like the size of the fruit at this stage. Probably a few weeks after that I should get the few Riesling clusters starting to turn translucent. I expect harvest fairly late this year just because of the wet weather though. Though once veraison kicks in it's all about Brie and acids.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/26/2017 5:56:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dave - veraison is in full swing here. I placed the bird netting on Monday, and i sprayed for those darn beetles again this morning. Despite our recent hot & rainy weather the vines look good and the clusters have been clean. I did some shoot thinning and leaf pulling prior to the netting, but it's so much work that i am sure i missed something.

Goals for this year are a few batches of jelly and making a red wine from the Frontenac, Chelois & ?? Should be able to make a white wine as well. Curious if i will have enough fruit to make a small batch of wine from my vinifera....

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/26/2017 8:54:49 AM   
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Goals for this year are a few batches of jelly and making a red wine from the Frontenac, Chelois & ?? Should be able to make a white wine as well. Curious if i will have enough fruit to make a small batch of wine from my vinifera....

How many bottles do you normally get from your vines?

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/26/2017 10:37:43 AM   
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Goals for this year are a few batches of jelly and making a red wine from the Frontenac, Chelois & ?? Should be able to make a white wine as well. Curious if i will have enough fruit to make a small batch of wine from my vinifera....

How many bottles do you normally get from your vines?

VM


This year....probably a 5 gallon carboy + 3 gallon + 1 gallon, so maybe 45 bottles. Last year i also purchased some grapes and made a Zinfandel blend.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/26/2017 10:39:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dave - i would also add that we are nearing the end of the time where black rot is a concern, but i always felt that powdery mildew was a late summer occurrence for me.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 7/26/2017 12:38:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Luckily my Chardonnay grapes are not in super tight clusters any longer. That helps against the powdery mildew.

As far as wine grape juice. Syrah is amazing. I think it's much better than Concord as just a grape juice. I bought a 5 gallon pail of CA Syrah and wished I had more tonjust drink straight. Chardonnay grapes are amazingly tasty but have pretty high acid. You pay in heartburn but I would sip the juice any day.

Riesling is also tasty as is Pinot Gris but both make good jelly and can be snacked on if you don't mind seeds.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/9/2017 4:19:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		slow veraison this year, but i can see some of the seedless varieties are almost ripe. Still having raccoon damage, as it only takes one critter to eat up a whole vine overnight. Growing vines on a fence or anything the raccoons can climb is not recommended.

Merlot, Cab Franc & Cabernet Sauvignon taking their sweet time going through veraison. I did some leaf pulling before putting the bird netting up, but now i just have to wait.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/9/2017 5:58:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		This year was lost for me. New job responsibilities started in spring and I missed critical spraying cycles. Lost more than. Half to rot by July and gave up.... frustrating to say the least. There is always next year!

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/9/2017 10:17:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Veraison on my Pinot Noir vines started about a week ago. They were up to 10 brix last weekend.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/9/2017 11:15:22 AM   
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Veraison on my Pinot Noir vines started about a week ago. They were up to 10 brix last weekend.

VM

Same out here on the color change for PN. Didn't test Brix but tasted a few this morning. They taste like grapes!

My other varieties are all still green...

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/9/2017 11:35:15 AM   
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Veraison on my Pinot Noir vines started about a week ago. They were up to 10 brix last weekend.

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Same out here on the color change for PN. Didn't test Brix but tasted a few this morning. They taste like grapes!

My other varieties are all still green...

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They taste like grapes!


And not filet mignon?

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/9/2017 12:22:44 PM   
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Or Filet Mignon.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/9/2017 5:44:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		No rot in my yard, and really no black rot or mildew either....rain has been heavy at times, but with dry periods in between and i've been on top of the spray program. Kind of proud of myself for growing vinifera in our climate that isn't covered in some fungus.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/10/2017 8:20:58 AM   
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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/16/2017 4:13:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Veraison dragging along, even in varieties that have good sun exposure. Maybe it's our lack of rainfall?? or perhaps because my vines are maturing and veraison takes longer??

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/16/2017 10:35:52 AM   
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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/19/2017 9:37:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I finally put up the rest of my trellis on all rows. I went through and purged all vines of excess shoots, while thinning almost every leaf with mildew. It's been such a wet year. I do have almost all vines being trained to stay straight and to one stalk as we head towards Autumn.

Most of the Riesling are shoulder height now and are in the training process. I will just have a few good clusters of edible grapes, but really I didn't expect any.

On the critter front, we have a new family if foxes just down the street. They seem to be targeting all the bunnies, hooray! The birds are another matter. Next year I will have to put up bird netting much earlier than verasion. I expect to have the netting catch plenty of birds, chipmunks and other critters that don't wise up.

It's been a banter year fir the raspberries though.

In the woods on our street there are five large feral apples trees that have been dropping apples now for a couple weeks. This has the new deer and rabbits steering clear with the fox keeping watch too.

A neighbor on the next street contracted Lyme disease from a deer tick while messing around in her soil. Of course she posted a sign blaming dog walkers without any knowledge of the animal population or the bounty of fruit from apples, wild black raspberries and Concord grapes everywhere. She think people are leaving carrots near her yard. Yep, paranoid old folks. I walk the streets 2-3 times a day and have never seen anybody putting out veggies fir the wildlife. I have seen a few great blue herons in the close drainage ponds. Beautiful creatures. So sleek from a profile but they look like a teradactyl when flying above you shortly after getting airborne.

Overall I'm happy with the progress. I need to order about 8-10 new Riesling vines, but I am expecting a very harsh Winter here. I might need more, but the fact that it takes them up to 5 years to produce enough fruit for winemaking has me thinking about adding some Vidal blanc to the mix.

I wish all you growers a bountiful harvest. I hope this years bumidity didn't ruin your crop. I just couldn't spray enough sulfur, copper sulfate or synthetic fungicida to make much of a difference. Looking forward to the next season. Driveway will be resurfaced next week if the pavers don't postpone again. Next year will be external house paining. The Blues of living in a windy, salty, snow belt.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/19/2017 10:10:33 AM   
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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/24/2017 6:50:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ripening continues here. Picked some early white wine grapes today, and some of my juice grapes were magically converted into grape jelly this morning. Still have a ways to go on several vines, so my daily trapping of raccoons continues. My yard is like raccoon Stalingrad.

Grapes look healthy overall, mostly because of our outstanding weather this month, opposite to last year, so i am happy that mildew for the most part is staying away. Powdery Mildew at this time of year isn't uncommon....but with the grapes so close to final picking it's not worth spraying again.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/25/2017 12:28:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Chris, wondering about the impact of the OR Chetco fire on your vineyard and those of others. Apparently it is quite the wildfire, so hope you and yours are, above all, safe.

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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/25/2017 1:49:27 PM   
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Chris, wondering about the impact of the OR Chetco fire on your vineyard and those of others. Apparently it is quite the wildfire, so hope you and yours are, above all, safe.

Cautious Cheers!

Wildfires are annual occurrence in the west, and we are currently watching closest one to us ~40 miles west of us as the crow flies on north east flank of Mount Rainier at Norse Peak. http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/norse-peak-fire-may-still-be-burning-in-the-fall/article_c07abc6c-8686-11e7-a8a1-1b7a50b1c785.html

Our vineyard is fine, and really most of the smoke now is going north of us, nothing as bad as about a month ago when smoke from fires in BC were being blown south. But even then no threat of smoke taint.




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RE: Growing Your Own Grapes - 8/25/2017 4:07:05 PM   
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