5/18/24, 8:21 AM - Thanks for the review. I have been drinking this particular NVD since 2012, and have been frustrated by it of late, probably because of the ever evolving rotation in the blend. Used to be more fruit forward and approachable at a young age, which is exactly what I expect for an $80 Napa cab. Now they seem to require more patience
5/19/24, 9:33 AM - Bad- I think that your intuition is correct regarding whether the different vineyards are playing well together. I wasn't able to find the details on this vintage either, sorting through old emails, and the newsletter on their website seems hopelessly out of date, but I do recall from my visit to the winery last year this time, that the vineyard selections that went into the Napa AVA are significantly different than past years. Price has increased from $65, for the '16, and is now at $90, I believe. I do not question that the quality of grapes has improved over that time, but, it is still a bit of a "pandora's box" if you will, for about $100. It's also curious that members are limited to 3 bottles these days
5/21/24, 10:49 AM - It is hard to argue with your insights. I can't pretend to have any insider knowledge of the decisions that are made with these NVD. my guess is that in the current day, winemakers enter into leases on some younger vines with future potential, as a good price, use them for their entry level wines for awhile to recoup their annual costs until those vines are more mature. I am simply "reading between the lines" from the various newsletters I have seen from this and other wineries. as a wine buyer, I would prefer that the winery commits to making a quality $75 cab (maybe $90 nowadays) that consistently drinks well young. The Fait Main you mention is one of the best examples of that philosophy. By the way, that wine, I believe is a blend of each of his single vineyard wines and includes Las Piedras, Missouri Hopper and Tierra Roja
5/21/24, 10:34 AM - Yackman - totally agree. if I remember correctly, Seavey was offering a deal back in the day (probably around 2009) on some library wines - I want to say that they were about $90 a bottle. I was buying for my father in law, on his dime, and I think I bought six bottles each of the '01, '02, and '03 - only 1 or 2 of each remain. I may have missed the peak, for my tastes. great mature fruit, but I would have liked a bit more structure. These wines were made in a different style back then.Mark - I wish I was a bit more disciplined following these over the years, but my trips to San Diego have become few and far between in recent yearsFrom time to time, I will buy their second wine, Caravina, If you can find it under a $100, its a nice representation of Conn Valley
5/19/24, 9:40 AM - I need to buy more from this winery, thanks for the reminder. I have been looking for some tasty Howell mountain cabs at a decent price. I really have enjoyed all of the '19 Howell mountains that I have tried, maybe I will look to track down the '19 Robert Craig
5/19/24, 9:04 AM - It is a very well made Napa red, and I agree, I wouldn’t buy this at today’s prices
5/18/24, 8:24 AM - I really enjoyed the ‘18. Wish I could find this at the same discounted price
5/13/24, 4:28 PM - check out Restaurant Bayonas in the French Quarter, if you still happen to be there ;) cheers
5/14/24, 4:40 PM - The best Hobb wines, for my taste, were from 2007 - 2012. Haven’t had many since, but my experience is similar to Mark
5/13/24, 3:30 PM - delicious wine for the money. I am keeping an eye out for these on the secondary market. Galloni recently reviewed a bunch of '13s. Loved the howell mountain, but had two tainted bottles of the Mt Veeder. that should temper prices!
5/13/24, 3:42 PM - I am trying to follow your lead, and add some vertical depth to the cellar
5/11/24, 6:53 PM - So happy to hear. Just snagged one at auction two weeks ago
5/12/24, 6:34 AM - I’m a quick learner. Been trying to add some vertical depth to my cellar this year
5/11/24, 6:58 PM - This one is easy enough to find. Try Gary’s wine in Wayne NJ. they will ship to Philly. Oh, and I have have a small war chest of their estate wines. I’ll bring one along next get together
5/11/24, 5:03 AM - I don’t think you are missing much here. This was my usual attempt to find a find a Bevan lookalike without the high price tag. Not sure this one achieves that goal
5/10/24, 3:46 AM - Thanks for posting. I have one of these left that I had been meaning to drink. How much airtime do you suggest?Next time you are planning an Italian wine Hamptons Soirée, please shoot wet an invite. Sounds like a blast
5/8/24, 7:41 PM - DNR - I believe that the Bridesmaid series has evolved into their cabernet franc blend. I had a bottle last night while dining at a BYO and another a month before, and enjoyed them both - an easy drinker and a nice mid week wine..I had dinner with Pam last month in Philly and as luck will have it, I am attending a wine dinner event with her again next week while out in La Jolla. The current release '21, has great cab franc character and is drinking well with a long decant. I also had the opportunity to taste some older vintages around 10 and 20 years of age, that were past their prime. That said, I have been happier with Hourglass and with Detert.I believe that Blackbird sources their cab franc from Pam's vineyards as well. Overall, napa cab franc has gotten a bit expensive, which is a bit of a bummer. I do think that the '21 Crocker is worth a taste, and I bought a pair last month. I am sure I will get to taste it again next week, and will report back
5/6/24, 10:19 AM - sounds tasty. not sure if I have ever had a Maxem pinot, although I vaguely recall that you may have brought one in the past to one of our tastings?
5/6/24, 10:14 AM - I have had two bottles.doesn't really stand out amongst its peers. I have never been a big fan of the Teeter Tooter cab either.That said, will be interested to see if the style changes with Biagi as winemaker
5/5/24, 5:34 PM - From what I have red, the Relevant red has become more Cabernet dominant, starting in ‘19,(80% based on the tech sheet )as opposed to the estate red, which is only 50% CS. I have 1 or 2 of the Estate I can save for our next get together
5/5/24, 6:49 AM - AG - I believe our palates are in alignment these days. I was planning on drinking a 19 tonight, mostly to pare down my stash. I don’t see these changing much with more time in a bottle
5/5/24, 6:46 AM - Great note. Thanks for posting. One of the more enjoyable, pleasure driven cabs I have had in the past year, at a decent price. You might be dale to find it at Total Wine in Cherry Hill, NJ on your drive back from the shore
4/29/24, 8:05 PM - Who is the winemaker here?
4/30/24, 4:00 AM - I did read the old RP reviews-sounds impressive. Cheers, Rob!
4/29/24, 7:50 PM - Thanks for the update. I pulled this from the cellar last weekend for a dinner party as a backup but thankfully never got to it, sounds like it is worth revisiting soon
4/29/24, 8:11 PM - Have you had the opportunity to try the Mike Smith version?
4/27/24, 9:06 AM - At $50, this has become my house “white”.Cheers! Good to see you drinking (and posting) again
4/27/24, 9:03 AM - Hopefully, the latter. Sounds very disappointing for a great wine from a great vineyard
4/27/24, 5:35 AM - They have been hit or miss for me. This was part of a Last Bottle 3 pack deal, so it was priced at 50%, which does influence my score. At full retail, I would pass
4/27/24, 6:05 AM - It is an interesting concept, though. Give three vineyards the same treatment, decant and discuss. Probably more marketing than intellectual.I would be good with half bottles for that experience
4/27/24, 8:58 AM - No doubt. Hie rendition of Denali Cabernet has been may favorite, again, picked up at a steep discount at auction. I like what Jean does over at Covert and AXR better
4/27/24, 6:02 AM - I was just commenting elsewhere that the Outpost Howell Mountain cabs are just not aging well/ consistently, in my limited experience. I would say the same for the ‘13, which I have had 5 or 6 times since release.I was thinking of checking in on a ‘19 in the near future
4/27/24, 5:32 AM - Smart move! I am excited to start sampling some ‘19 Howell Mountain cabs. The few I have had have seen to drink well young, and 18 was very smoky on the mountain
4/25/24, 5:21 PM - thanks for sharing this the other night - what a treat! really makes me question my religious devotion to all things red in Napa. I know that we typically wax on about the complexity of flavors in Napa reds, but I am in awe that a single varietal can simultaneously express citrus fruits, a spectrum of tropical fruits, and textured minerality - all in a single mouthful
4/27/24, 5:29 AM - SF- great suggestion, thanks
4/27/24, 5:28 AM - That’s a good point. I think I am leaning more towards the howelll mountain merlot style
4/25/24, 5:43 PM - I couldn't agree more, and a great QPR (my wife recently remarked, "I can't stop drinking this...")I recently picked up another pairCheers!
4/25/24, 5:27 PM - most 14s I have had recently are still singing! my experience with this label is similar to your description here, as of late - good, but just not great. I do think many of their cabs enter an awkward phase around this time of life. I plan to try a '19 howell mountain soon, which is much younger than what I have done in the past
4/25/24, 5:42 PM - you are probably right. I suspect that bottle variation becomes more obvious as these big wines approach their tenth birthday
4/25/24, 5:37 PM - agree! It teeters on being over the top. I think it is a standout compared to both the '18 and '19. I only have one left sadly
4/24/24, 2:55 PM - I think that I may have enjoyed this the most, as I found myself sampling it, and the memento mori, throughout the night
4/24/24, 4:08 AM - No, unfortunately not. I picked up a 3 pack from wine spies 2 years ago, and forgot about them until recently
4/15/24, 5:45 PM - The Cyclist turned me on to a glass or two of this last fall ('22), and yeah, your kinda right on this one.
4/15/24, 5:28 PM - so, a buck seventy is the new "entry level" cab, in Napa ;)
4/14/24, 7:26 AM - I agree. Can’t decide whether to add a few more 19s vs 21s
4/11/24, 7:58 PM - I need to track a few more of these down. Winery recently announced they are no longer producing more wine ;(
4/12/24, 5:19 PM - I know. It pays to be a hoarder, my friend.
4/11/24, 7:55 PM - this really is a special version - if you like the opulent fruit rollercoaster! I just found a few more online, and snatched some up.cheers!
4/12/24, 5:17 PM - ;)
4/7/24, 5:56 AM - That is curious (and frustrating) there are about 10 different vineyard sources that go into this wine, and it makes you wonder if some of these grapes age differently, does that throw off the balance? Did all all of your bottles come from the same purchase?I would agree that this is typically a reliable and consistent wine. I might have to check out one of the single vineyard cabs from 16 to see how they are doing
4/7/24, 2:03 PM - Mark - i don't question your observation that these are early drinkers, but my question remains WHY? Is there a certain component of this wine that falls apart sooner than the others (i.e. grapes from young vines)? Is it the overall treatment of the wine in the making? The oak? How it is stored? (unlikely).Is a wine that drinks great on release always destined to a short lifespan?I drank a case, all in the first 4 -5 years, and have none left.not sure what to make of JDs drinking window out to 2039??
4/8/24, 4:20 PM - I think what Mark is stating makes a lot of sense, and is similar to my initial thoughts on why a blended wine might fall out of balance, mid life.I am sure that there are many reasons for the complex blend of sites. I suspect that another factor has to do with what the winemaker has contracted to buy, grape wise. For example, I believe Venge picked up a contract on some younger GIII vines. These made their way into the Silencieux in '21, and I am guessing he will continue to do so, up to the point that he feels he can bottle this separately.
4/7/24, 5:46 AM - Sounds tasty. I have a few of their cabs stashed away. Maybe an idea for a further get together. Hartwell is one of the wineries that I still kick myself for not buying more
4/7/24, 5:30 AM - Thanks for posting. I haven’t tried one since TRB took over. In the past, these have required a bit of time to fully blossom. I believe this wine is a single clone, seven, I think. I might have to hunt some down, although I promised myself to cut back on buying this type of cab, north of $100 just to satisfy my curiosity.
4/6/24, 8:13 PM - Probably Not directly I’m guessing , but Pam used to be the winemaker at Spottswoode, and I believe that Blackbird sources their cab franc from their vineyard
4/6/24, 8:09 PM - They dabble with a bunch of different barrel selections at DelDotto.
4/6/24, 8:04 PM - What’s wrong with June? Head on up anytime!
4/3/24, 8:08 PM - still, not bad for under a hundred bucks, huh?
4/4/24, 2:22 PM - There definitely seems to be a bit more variability with this style of cab. The alcohol seems to throw it out of balance. Sometimes they drink well right after opening, more often they needed extended air. More variability bottle to bottle too, which is annoying at this price point.I have had the best experience with 3-4 hours here, which for me is long, I rarely have the time to give most bottles more than two
4/3/24, 8:10 PM - same here, thanks for posting
4/1/24, 5:50 PM - AG - you probably would enjoy an older Bone Ash more (thinking 15 or 16). Calistoga was particularly hot in '19, and I am not surprised that the Vengerecipe in this vintage would come across in this way.Regardless, I can't say that I disagree with you. Even though Bone Ash is his 'home turf' vineyard, it typically isn't my favorite either. FYI, Venge makes a second wine from Bone Ash called Terraces (aka Candy's block). same property, slightly higher elevation. I prefer this one as it has brighter acidity and comes across as less extracted. Again, you are not wrong
3/23/24, 9:04 AM - These are under appreciated, especially when you consider that it is a Sonoma wine. I suspect it is the clonal selection that gives it that sweet oak, classic finish
3/21/24, 2:21 PM - I've been scratching my head on this one. I have had four bottles since it was released, and have always found it a bit reserved and closed
3/21/24, 2:15 PM - good to hear. Willow's is one of my favs from Turtle Rock, although I think the percent grenache has decreased over the years
3/21/24, 2:13 PM - Love Restaurant August, Bayona is another new orleans fav that has great duck, and lamb. nice wine choice
3/18/24, 1:44 PM - Congrats Sean. Does this mean you can make the wine dinner Thursday ;)
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