11/16/22, 9:48 AM - Looking back I sometimes find this a difficult wine to taste young. I rated the 2016 en primeur 90 points twice with the same sort of comment as the 2021 and yet gave it 95 more recently. I'm normally much more consistent! The 2019 was easy to taste young though and got a massive score. You can only say what you experience at the time.
1/7/24, 9:33 AM - Hi Jake, I've seen another review of this wine giving 98+ points. It is a very unusual cepage using mostly cabernet franc and an extraordinary estate worth trying. At $117 a bottle I think its still good value if it turns out to be in the middle of my (perhaps harsh) 92 and the other review. Adrian
12/4/23, 12:37 AM - Hi Jake, sadly I haven't had the 2011 Montrose although I can believe it is good as they were on top form (still are). Pontet Canet is also good.
10/5/23, 9:06 AM - It's about USD40 in the UK according to the wine searcher app.
10/2/23, 12:57 AM - You paid the right price. This is a vintage for long keeping and there's a premium for that. I nearly gave 93 (will review again this evening) and the score has been slowly improving. For drinking now if you want the same quality at half the price from this vintage try Cantemerle (always good value). Alternatively slightly cheaper than Lagrange is the lovely 2010 Malescot St Expury.
7/18/23, 9:33 AM - 2014 Figeac is £175 a bottle in the UK which is a terrible QPR. I will have paid a lot less en primeur.
7/12/23, 12:00 AM - Hi Jake, you've done well to avoid the high alcohol fad as it will increasingly intrude as the wine ages. I haven't had a 2016 Cantemerle in the last 5years and really should try another. 2016 Marquis d'Alesme was excellent recently.
5/18/23, 1:04 AM - Thanks I've updated the note.
1/27/23, 9:02 AM - I thought it a bit high in acidity.
1/28/23, 6:53 AM - Hi Jake, I'm sure you've done well to get a case of these. I bought a half case on the basis of consistently good previous vintages and excellent en primeur notes from professionals. Adrian
12/13/22, 6:10 AM - Hi Juliansi, wines of this age and type of vintage I decant and drink. It may develop over a couple of hours but will more likely go downhill if you wait.
12/13/22, 7:55 AM - It depends how long you are drinking it over. If you are taking a whole evening between two then decant and start straight away. If there are more people and its one glass each then wait an hour after decanting. My wife only drinks whites so I usually double decant back into the bottle, fill the gap with argon, stopper and use more inert gas via Coravin to drink over 2 to 3 evenings. btw. I went briefly to Alice Smith School in 1967 then to Uplands, Penang, when it was on the peak!
10/14/22, 10:42 AM - That's what L&W say however I've read elsewhere that the C de Carmes is a separate wine with it's own vinyard and a very different cepage made by the same Chateau. Its certainly priced that way and is a lot more expensive than say Pagodes de Cos. My info came from the Chateau.
8/28/22, 10:32 AM - Thanks odds, comment moved to 2019
4/16/22, 12:08 AM - It depends how much you love Palmer. I would probably buy a bottle or two at that price but not a case.
3/22/22, 1:24 AM - Re the other 2000's; Leoville Barton, Cos D'Estournel and Ducru Beaucaillou I have given 95 points to. Palmer and Leoville Poyferre 94 (both in 2015 so could have improved) and Lynch Bages 93.
1/4/22, 12:05 AM - Yes that will keep until the cork gives way!😀
5/20/21, 1:01 PM - From a half bottle. Edited note thanks.
3/9/21, 4:36 AM - I would advise decanting to remove the sediment and to give the wine some air. Anthony Barton told me about 5 years ago that he was drinking his 1989s, which would have been over 25 years old and last year I had a lovely 1955 from Leoville Poyferré. I'm still buying 2001s because it turned out to be an excellent vintage and was a little overlooked at the time. They're drinking well now and will last decades properly kept. How old you like your wine is a question of personal taste and as I get older I find myself liking older wines.
3/4/21, 11:03 AM - I haven't maintained my cellar on this app and should remove it all.
11/13/20, 3:27 AM - Hi Chatters, Barton is consistent and the average vintages are made to peak at about 12 years old. 04 is a particularly good wine for the vintage. They were on top form at the time and Spurrier rated the 2003 the 7th best wine of the vintage just behind the first growths; I intend to try one in a couple of weeks time. Barton often disappoints a little when drunk too young so the trick is to keep them long enough. 2009 is an exception and just wonderful. The top vintages are generally best at 20 years old. Anthony Barton told me in 2010 that he was enjoying the 1989 - which l'm surprised to see that I've never had, so must now go and see if I can source one!
11/13/20, 4:31 AM - Hi djh, four years ago I thought the 1982 had a decade to go to peak and I agree the 2003 was not considered a classic vintage due to the excessive heat, which caused relatively early drinking wines. To my taste the 2000 is just coming around now and the 2005 needs at least 5 more years.
4/24/20, 1:10 AM - This note is about the 2018 tasted as a barrel sample en primeur. Alongside we had the 2012 - hence the confusion.
8/9/19, 8:51 AM - Hi Dave, it's a good vintage and Pichon Baron tend to be long lasting, so best wait to 2026 before trying one. Peak will be at about 12 years or 2029 onwards for a decade. Adrian
7/14/19, 1:26 AM - I've always thought, rightly or wrongly, that the tannins being relatively heavy fall out into the sediment over time. Yes, the wine will warrant a higher score when the tannins dominate less.
6/7/19, 1:34 AM - Hi DaveTo some degree it's a question of personal taste. For classed growths of an average vintage I start at 7 years old and then wait a couple of years if it wasn't ready. Adjust up or down by quality of vintage and quality of wine. A great vintage like 2005s for instance are just getting into their stride. Some hot vintages like 2003 were lovely at 5 years. I'm starting to try the 2012s this year. Adrian
3/28/19, 1:00 PM - Your note was one of the best written Ive ever read. Great.
12/7/18, 2:02 AM - On the question of comparing 2015 to 2016. The 2015 I had en primeur as a barrel sample and whilst it was obviously an excellent wine none of the 3 of us liked the more muscular style much. Barrel samples can be misleading though for a variety of reasons. The 2015 doesn't have the charm of the 2016. Others who have tasted more recently rate the 2015 slightly higher. I think its a question of personal taste.
11/17/18, 9:31 AM - Sorry I didn't reply earlier. I decanted and drank straight away.
3/14/15, 1:15 PM - Where do you find wines like this? Even in the late '80's wines from the 50's were rare. I recommend 52 and 55 Lynch Bages and 53 Calon Segur amongst others.
1/3/15, 12:18 PM - Great note
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