4/18/24, 8:15 PM - Did you try the wine?
4/19/24, 2:20 PM - It seems clear that reasonable minds can disagree on the extent this wine shows smoke taint. While the lab report seems clear, how smoke taint presents itself to individual tasters varies. Reports of ashtray, cigar smoke aftertaste, and the like just didn't show up in the bottle I experienced.
4/20/24, 11:01 AM - I think Ridge has handled this well. They stand by their decision to release the 2020, but have graciously refunded purchases, even for bottles drank to assess smoke taint. I drank a bottle, decided it was good, and Ridge then sent me a replacement bottle, gratis.
4/20/24, 3:47 PM - I see your point about members only. But I understand why they wouldn't have been transparent about the issue. You can't be a little pregnant. Once they made the business decision, they need to tow the line, particulary given that some people can't/don't pick up smoke taint on these wines.
3/7/24, 11:48 PM - @UFSNOOK - thanks for your note. I see that the CT drinking window for this wine starts in 2030. Perhaps hold your remaining bottles to see if that changes your mind? Cheers.
3/3/24, 8:11 PM - Do you think it may have been an off bottle, given other reviews of this wine? Although I see your notes often score wines in this range, with regular comments about fruit being short, suggesting it's a palate preference.
3/4/24, 5:42 PM - Thanks for your reply and thoughts - appreciate it. I have no experierence with this wine, but picked up some bottles based on a Konstantin Baum review. Have you had the wine in other vintages?
3/4/24, 8:09 PM - Thanks for your reply and thoughts - appreciate it. I have no experierence with this wine, but picked up some bottles based on a Konstantin Baum review. Have you had the wine in other vintages?
3/5/24, 4:33 AM - Thanks!
2/18/24, 11:52 PM - Given your assessment, seems doubtful this will ever achieve a 90-point rating. I guess your ratings are based on how the wine is currently drinking, not its potential. Thanks for your note.
2/1/24, 7:37 AM - Thank you so much for your note. Great to hear your impressions on a clearly controversial vintage. I don't know if you're a WB'er, but there's a live thread there about this MB vintage. This note is worth posting there, if you haven't already done so!
1/18/24, 4:11 AM - Thanks for the informative review
12/26/23, 1:34 AM - Thanks for your note!
12/11/23, 8:57 PM - @NUTTYO8: thanks much for your note, especially given all the chatter on WB about possible smoke taint for this MB vintage. CT shows a drinking window beginning in 2031 - do you think the clipped finish is just an issue of the wine's young age? I don't have much experience with MB, so this may not be a good question.
12/13/23, 7:42 PM - Thanks, appreciate it!
11/26/23, 1:24 AM - Thanks for your note. Are claiming the tannins won't soften over time? That's what happens to Barbarescos over time. Or that it's a wine that will always have a firmly tannic structure?
11/27/23, 1:02 AM - @ Caruso - thank you for your reply and note. This is immensely helpful! Your reasoning seems well grounded in wine chemistry. So for you, the sweet spot would be around 2035 (tannins resolved some but fruit still present)?
11/27/23, 6:11 AM - @ Caruso - are you on Wine Berserkers? I started a thread based on this exchange (didn't use your handle, though). If so, jump in. Would be great to have your input!
11/4/23, 6:23 AM - Thanks for your review, but frankly, it's a bit strange. Your first notes praised the wine; and later, you trashed it. If you finally remembered not to drink Ridge Lytton Springs anymore, why have you collected it?
10/7/23, 6:57 PM - As they say . . . There are no great wines, only great bottles.
9/10/23, 2:30 AM - You may have actually drank it too early.
9/10/23, 7:44 PM - I haven't pulled a cork yet. But based on reports and reviews, seems like it needs a bit more time to come into its own. But you just drank, so that counts for something!
8/12/23, 7:18 PM - @macaujames - amazing price! I paid 16 US here, which is a steal, given the quality of this wine.
7/13/23, 7:15 AM - Really great note - a pleasure to read and very informative. Thank you!
7/6/23, 5:30 AM - Thanks for great note, and taking one for the team. I also have in magnum, and I've factored that into my thoughts about when it will be in its prime drinking window. Planning on pulling a cork in 2-3 years.
7/4/23, 11:15 PM - I have 6 bottles and haven't pulled a cork yet, given the suggested drinking window on CT. Do you think that it's in a dumb phase? I don't have much experience with PdB to know if this a common occurence with their wines.
6/22/23, 10:30 PM - Thanks for your note. I had this during a tasting at Bergström earlier this week - very much like a premier cru burgundy. Just fabulous. I picked up two bottles. Will sit on them for 3+ years, as the wine should develop beautifully, putting on some weight and increased complexity.
6/24/23, 4:40 PM - I thought the tasting was well conducted. The curated, small bites really added to the experience.
6/24/23, 8:38 PM - Did you pick up smoke taint in the ‘20 Pinot? I bought a Silice (I have a vertical going back to 2012) but no taint detected.
5/21/23, 6:26 PM - @WEB,III - just curious what you mean by "grey market". Cheers.
5/1/23, 6:22 PM - Thanks for the review, @CAVWINE. With 55 CT reviews, and an average score of 90.1, I would say that the overwhelming consensus is that this is a wonderful wine.
4/30/23, 6:00 PM - Ben, your note surprises me, as there weren't fires in Somoma in 2021.
4/24/23, 9:45 PM - @ PUTNAM WEEKLY - Best note ever!!
4/17/23, 12:13 AM - I haven't tried my only bottle, so can't comment on whether ST93+ score is merited. But the blend doesn't seem odd at all - majority of Cab with ~20% Syrah. Isn't this a blend that helped put Australia on the wine map?
4/10/23, 1:22 AM - My earlier comment apparently didn't get posted. Not sure why. Your experience with this wine differs wildly from most others in the CT community. I've had two bottles, and picked up neither smoke nor a weak and watery presentation. Both times were PnPs, so it seems puzzling to me that your impressions would change over 2.5 days. It seems like a "solution in search of a problem" issue - you have a methodology that is premised on a wine needing 3 days to really show itself ("the solution") and you've reviewed this Bedrock to demonstrate "the problem". My two cents worth.
3/14/23, 2:15 AM - @ RIESLINGFAN - very creative and substantive note - thank you!
3/14/23, 9:23 PM - @ RIESLINGFAN - very creative and substantive note - thank you!
1/23/23, 7:00 PM - Don't at all diminish your experiences with Tondonia, but I enjoyed this wine as I have other Tondonias. Clearly the so-called experts agree. But that's what's wonderful about the world of wine - it's a matter of taste!
1/15/23, 3:53 PM - Too big?
12/21/22, 4:45 PM - Perhaps this is too young to show its best? I'm waiting until 2026 to pull my first cork.
12/22/22, 7:54 AM - Thanks for the perspective! I'll post in 2026 when I pull the first cork. BTW, Jancis Robinson has drinking window at 2027 - 2044, for what that's worth.
11/20/22, 12:30 PM - Are you drinking 375's?
11/21/22, 5:04 AM - Nice! I have only one bottle left of three total. Hanging on to this one based on reviews, including yours. Cheers!
10/21/22, 6:53 PM - Jumping in here a bit after @SHAVEDADDY's review. I have to disagree a bit with @StephanAkiko about QPR as a factor in scoring. While I see the point (this has been robustly debated on wineberserkers, btw), to me part of the value of this platform is to learn about wines worth seeking out from a consumer standpoint. When I taste I wine I've bought, I always consider how much I paid for it. Yes, blind scoring is best, and price would not be a factor in that exercise. But I'm just not feeling the love when I've paid $75 for a bottle of Oregon PN that I can find another at same or better quality for half that price. @SHAVEDADDY scored the wine based on their taste, with the price factor being an added observation. Cheers to all!
9/17/22, 5:16 AM - Thanks Brian for your note. I'll allow my next bottle to breathe more before drinking. Agree that it's a very interesting wine and good QPR.
7/20/22, 8:51 AM - @ DUCSTER72 - thanks for your note. I share similar thoughts about this and other Kelly Fox wines.
7/7/22, 2:15 PM - @ HI.ITS.DON.4 - thanks for the great write-up! Excellent background and notes. Totally agree about Roserock - huge fan of the Chardonnays and Pinots. I've been dialed in for a couple of years now, and will continue to seek out year-in and year-out. Sorry to see prices rise, but I guess that's to be expected. Great winery to visit, too. Cheers!
6/24/22, 6:40 AM - @ KEITHAKERS - thanks for your note, really useful. I see you're based in Portland - so am I. Let me know if you're interested in getting together to taste some wines. Cheers!
6/6/22, 6:05 PM - Thanks for your beautiful, and useful note!
6/2/22, 1:18 PM - @ FRANSS: Thanks for your note! Do you think this will improve with further aging?
4/23/22, 8:18 AM - @CLUBBER LANGHE - greatly enjoyed your beautifully, dare I say, poetically, crafted tasting note. Made my Saturday morning. And have now settled on purchasing this Pelaverga after reading your note and JancisRobinson.com review. Thank you!
1/26/22, 9:38 AM - Thanks @SSCHEN for your review! Would love to hear how it drank on second day. Cheers!
1/28/22, 9:10 AM - Thanks for the update, SSCHEN! Much appreciated.
8/27/21, 3:43 AM - @CSIMM1161 - thanks for your note. It certainly generated a number of comments! I suspect your blunt review may have been part of that. I've been thinking about picking up a few bottles of the wine, but am hesitating now. Are you regretting your purchase, or is the jury still out for you?
9/8/21, 8:40 PM - @CSIMM1161 - Belated thanks for your response - really helpful!
9/8/21, 6:48 PM - @GRYP - thanks for your note. Was it cork taint, premature oxidation, or something else? I drank a bottle a few months ago and it had matured quite a bit over the previous one. I noticed too that a local shop is selling it at a pretty steep discount - unloading before it really goes south? Cheers!
9/8/21, 8:37 PM - Thanks GRYP!
6/9/21, 8:22 AM - Epic note. Thank you!
4/25/21, 4:02 PM - Thanks for your note! I would add that Ch. Thivin is known to improve with age.
4/5/21, 2:38 PM - Pretty amazing. I had a 2005 Clos Vougeot Grand Cru last August that was drinking nicely, but needed some more time in the bottle. This wine by most accounts will just need more time to come around.
2/10/21, 9:46 AM - Would be curious to hear from others who have tasted this wine recently. . .
2/10/21, 3:31 PM - Thanks for the reply!
1/30/21, 1:50 PM - Thanks for linking the vintage information! We drank the wine with a mushroom, leek, and aged cheddar omelette. It was a decent pairing but a chicken dish might have been even better. The wine’s tannins, even if fairly soft, would do well with a meat counterpart.
1/7/21, 2:23 PM - Thanks for your expanded review. Out of curiosity, are you a Beaujolais drinker "normally"?
11/25/20, 10:39 AM - Two thoughts: bottle size and bottle variation. As to the first, perhaps the wine is past its prime given faster aging in a small format? Bottle variation speaks for itself. Having said this, it's clear that some have found the wine to be lacking in acidity/nerve. I haven't had the wine for about 8 years, which at that time, I found it to be well-balanced but needing additional bottle age. Based on overall CT notes, I'm holding off for another 2-3 years before I pop one.
3/27/20, 5:01 PM - I saw that. Never ordered from that shop. i purchased from SommPicks. Their price is $28.
3/28/20, 8:53 AM - thanks Seth
1/28/20, 7:11 AM - Further thoughts?
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