10/19/21, 9:12 AM - I think you rated the wrong wine. Sounds like you had the BTK Red Blend but this wine is for the pure Cab. I've got both so glad to hear the red blend is drinking so well!
12/9/20, 8:01 PM - Yes, it certainly is! Thanks for catching that. I edited it to a 92, just on my experience with this producer and me typically rating them a point or two higher than the average.
11/7/19, 5:19 PM - You are a tough scorer!
5/21/19, 7:43 AM - I second dhp's comment! Sangiovese's biggest flavor is typically cherry, so not surprising it's your first descriptor (even if this is only partially sangiovese). Try an aged (at least 10 years) Brunello and experience this varietal at its finest!Back to the Tignanello, I've introduced many to it as their first Italian wine, and for those who love Napa/Sonoma Cab's, always love this wine. It's a gateway wine into the world of fine Tuscan wines :)
3/21/19, 7:43 PM - I find Mike's Cabs are awesome in their youth, but his Syrahs always benefit from a few years of sleep. The Halcon is probably the most approachable in my opinion, but it still needs more time and a good decant.
1/29/19, 6:57 PM - I've been a fan of the Ridge LS for a long time, but they need about 8-10 years to reach peak. And yeah Ottawa! My hometown :)
12/20/18, 8:57 AM - That’s unfortunate:( Did you buy both bottles at the same time/place? Perhaps they got compromised along their travels? I find it hard to think a BdM would be past it’s time, only 3 years past its release.
11/29/18, 5:52 AM - Thanks sean7711! I signed up for their top tier club after a visit to the winery this past February. We did the blending experience which I highly recommend. I'm not sure I'll continue with the club next year. With the 25% off their top tier club membership, the CC AVA series offer pretty good value at $67/bottle, but 2 cases a year is a little much for me. I'm keeping at least one of each AVA release in my cellar for at least a few more years, and now that I've tried all 8 of the 2015 releases, I may take one more club shipment (6 bottles) in the early spring, of just my favorites, which would definitely include this Battuello! I'm a big fan of SLWC as well and thinking they may come in to my wine club rotation next year. Cheers!
11/6/18, 3:30 PM - @seijaro, I'm not sure I agree with you entirely. While I don't bother with color influencing my rating, the nose most certainly matters in a rating. A great nose can be half the enjoyment of drinking a fine wine. And as Badmonkey stated, I also agree with just about every other rating from Lisa, of this 2016 Myriad lineup, just not on this one.
9/28/18, 11:18 AM - Wow, strong score! I like this over the Madres Whole Cluster, and while I love Syrahs in general (love everything Mike Smith), they just never capture the extra layers you get out of a cab; so, I hope you've got some of the Myriad cabs, because they'll be off the charts! ;)
9/28/18, 12:16 PM - That is a neat philosophy for wine rating. Never really though of it, and while I like the idea, it could get murky when you start dealing with blends. But, a good wine is a good wine! Cheers!
5/4/18, 1:22 PM - Thanks for the shout out! It is an interestingly and unexpectedly, elegant PS.
4/24/18, 8:53 AM - I wonder if you have this confused with the TOR Oakville Hillside (grey label), which uses 95% Tierra Roja and 5% Cab Franc from various Napa vineyards (according to the fact sheet). The (red label) Tierra Roja, should be 100% Cab Sauv from this TR vineyard. Either way, I've got a bottle of each coming and excited to compare the two!
4/17/18, 10:03 PM - Nice review, and encouraging to read. Forgetting about Mike's cabs of a second if I can, I fell in love with the Sugarloaf Syrah, which unfortunately came to an end in 2014, and have been searching for something with a Napa fruit to it ever since. The Petaluma and Halcon don't seem to do it; although I still really enjoy them :) I just took delivery of my mixed case yesterday and can't wait to try the Syrah! We opened the Semillon tonight which we was great!
3/31/18, 9:26 PM - April Fools! Are you a comedian, or just a rich guy who pretends to like wine, or just a pretentious snob who doesn't care to really make comments on mediocre wine? Sorry, jokes aside, this is a big Pinot, but Oaky Syrah? Really?
1/18/18, 3:38 PM - Great convo guys! I was happy to snatch up some 16s before they sold out! I gave Mike Smith a hard time about the size of his bottles when we went to his NYC event a couple years back. He didn’t seem to care for my comments, lol. Most wine fridges just can’t accommodate these giant Napa bottles. I don’t get it (both with the fridges and the winemakers). I’ve got 2 edgestar fridges in my Manhattan apartment and no room any more...
1/18/18, 9:51 PM - Wish I had the space and fridges that you guys had! Please tell me what fridges can fit these bottles!!! I find my Foley, Hobbs, TOR, and others seems to be long but not thick, which fit fine in my smaller fridge, which seems to have more space between front and back bottles, but not the big fridge, other than the top and bottom rows where I jam in the large bottles. Can't really relate to the parking situation, but my condo's valet guys can, because they've banged up my bimmer more than once cramming it into the garage.
12/29/17, 9:39 AM - Thanks for catching that mistake! Certainly not flawed, but I must have clicked it by accident when using the iPhone app.
11/26/17, 12:56 PM - So glad to finally see a tasting note on this wine! I 100% agree with you and wish there were more offerings of this varietal. A really good CF can be really special! I’ve only got one bottle, so I’ll be holding it for at least another 3 years before even considering opening it, but I hope there are more reviews to come. Cheers!
11/19/17, 10:16 PM - You really think a $70, 2008 Barolo is ready with an 89 point rating? I'm really confused at what good wine is and/or means...
11/19/17, 10:06 PM - Foley is one of the most underrated wine makers in the USA. He makes some incredible wines with great QPR.
10/15/17, 7:30 AM - Are you a part of their wine club? I just signed up for the Rocket88 club last week and am expecting my fall shipment of 2014s very soon. I've only ever had the 2013 Hidden Syrah but was blown away, so I can't wait to try the entire K range.
8/28/17, 2:51 PM - You'd be surprised! I've been drinking these Lytton Springs since the 05 vintage, and they consistently drink well young, but benefit immensely from about 5 years of bottle aging. The problem is it's tough to keep them that long LOL! I drank my last 2010 a year ago, skipped the 11s as I've done with most Cali wines, and will wait until 2019 before drinking anymore of my 12s. Either way, they're always an enjoyable experience :) Cheers!
8/20/17, 8:10 PM - So great to hear Badmonkey! I discovered and fell in love with Tor after I came across the 2011 Cimarossa which I found at Total Wine for $75, and have been hooked ever since. Their mailing list is overpriced and I'm of the same thought to get them through secondary markets (although the wine shop in my office building has the 13 Cim at $175). I've got some 12s, 13s, and one 14, as I try to grab at least one or two from each vineyard every vintage, but I may have to look to add one or two more of the 14 Cim! :)
8/20/17, 8:13 PM - @RayT, I've been buying off of Winebid for 3 years now, purchasing well over a 200 bottles, and drinking at least 50-75 of them, and have never had a bad wine. I typically stick to recently released wines, but even a 1997 Brunello last year was in perfect shape.
8/22/17, 7:22 PM - CT is just as, if not more powerful than the pros... You find the ones that have a similar palette and latch on! That's why I'm conversing with you fine gents!!! ;)
8/7/17, 8:52 PM - The 12 is a beautiful wine for the price. The 13 is far more contreversial given its 95 points by Parker, but yet it has a Caymus type sweetness showing thus far, which has upset some. I haven't tried the 14, but have 3 of them in the cellar. I'm hoping the '13, which I thought showed so well young, but hasn't been much over the past 2 years, develops into something great... I'm not going to bother trying the 14 for another few years. I am, too, stumped and disappointed by the price increase in recent years. The 2012 was one of the greatest QPRs in Napa.
8/9/17, 8:58 AM - Not a part of their wine club, but I have placed orders from them directly for their Zin and GIII, now Brinkman Block Cab. I've got a local store where I grab the regular cab, but I feel the exact same way. I thought this was my special secret; best cab for the price at $50, but that's getting difficult to justify now.
5/7/17, 7:24 PM - Thanks for the great review! However, I'm not sure I agree with the "below the radar comment", lol. This had 96 points from JS and 95 from WA, WS and Vinous, making #71 of the top 100 WS wines in 2015. I"m still sitting on my 2010s, but I"m sure the 12s will be great by the time I get around to them.
4/20/17, 8:29 PM - The Lytton Springs are always consistent, but consistently demand 4-6 years of sleep post release to get them at their peak, which is truly incredible!
3/31/17, 8:27 PM - I totally agree. I've been able to find these at $35-$40, so I alway buy a couple from each vintage just for when we have casual wine drinking dinner guest. It always pleases, but won't wow a real wine fan. I gawk at the $60+ price tags I see on this wine in NYC wine stores...
3/21/17, 3:27 PM - Love the review CSIMM1161! The 2011 Cimarossa is what got me hooked on Tor wines a few years back, and I've been collecting them ever since. I've got a couple of these 12s left and may just have to pop one sooner than later, after reading your review :) I prefer my Tool over Bon Jovi too!
3/21/17, 3:21 PM - Did you decant? I agree that it is way too young, especially to PnP. I'm giving my 12s at least another year. I find these wines hit their peak about 6-10 years from the vintage. That said, I alway try a couple bottles younger than that, and I found this 14 needed 2-3 hours of air before it started to balance out.
3/15/17, 2:08 PM - I agree. I'm still aging my 12s and won't touch them for another year at minimum. These are great mid term age-worthy wines!
3/14/17, 10:35 AM - Just took advantage of the pre-release for this, and the Elysian! Can't wait to pop a bottle this fall :)
3/11/17, 7:29 PM - Not sure I agree, but if you like young brunellos, then I'm glad you enjoyed it. I had one last year and I personally think it's got 5 more years before I even think of trying the next one.
2/16/17, 7:52 PM - I recently opened an 07 and has the same experience. The tannins just overpowered what is sure to be a killer wine someday. Even on day 2 it was still dusty, and given that I'm not touching the next bottle for at least another 5 years.
1/22/17, 3:22 PM - Thanks csimm! Tough to find these, but I'll keep my eye peeled!
2/6/17, 6:57 PM - I just grabbed 2 bottles of the 2010! I hope that wasn't you I outbid on WineBid.com ;)
1/27/17, 2:41 PM - Thanks for the note tomoem! Cheers!
1/15/17, 8:16 PM - Not pleasant? You must really be picky! I try to wait 10 years before opening my first, and 12-15 for the second, but I have the great opportunity to drink these young at many a business dinners, and they're great. A different dimension, but still great.
1/11/17, 7:04 PM - I love the Ridge wines, and as someone who drinks $10 to $100 bottles, I think they're one of the better values available for a rich, balanced and interesting wine. This is a great wine to break out on a special occasion and these Lytton Springs will age great for many years.
12/30/16, 7:21 AM - Can I ask where you got this? I bought one (of many) on WineBid, but I won't receive shipment until the spring. I figured it was past prime but would try it anyways.
12/30/16, 9:07 PM - Thanks! I will pop mine as soon as it arrives this spring at let you know what I think. Cheers :)
12/30/16, 9:05 PM - Great review, however I'm slightly surprised to hear you suggest a drinking window at 2017, based on the heavy tannin and the fact that a 2 hour decant wasn't close to enough. Your tasting seems to agree with most others, that this won't really be in it's prime for several more years. We each have our own system for ratings and aging, so I greatly appreciate your detailed review, which really makes this community so great! I'm trying my best to hold on to my one bottle for a little while longer! Cheers! :)
12/4/16, 7:12 PM - Thanks for the review. I had this a year ago and it was amazing. I've been thinking about opening another, but recent reviews say otherwise. Hopefully this is in a dumb phase, but it's surprising to hear it so young. I've got 3 more and so want to open one and see the progression, but maybe next year.
11/21/16, 3:46 PM - Great suggestion! Even when I decant, I always love a small glass right out of the bottle, just to compare the evolution; I think it's part of the fun :) This is one of my favorite cabs for the price, but I do find it a little tannic. Great with a steak, but a little hard on it's own right now. I've got a couple 12s and a couple 13s laid away, and hopefully I can keep my hands off them for a few more years... Cheers!
11/21/16, 3:36 PM - I'm siping on a glass as I read your review, which showed up first on my home page as I opened it. This definitely needs 30 minutes or so to open up, but when it does, it's a fantastic QPR. The Costco wine shop here in Brooklyn has this at $16.95! Cheers!
11/19/16, 6:36 AM - I fell in love with this wine a few years back, but agree that it needs a good amount of air. Tannins are pretty big to have on it's own right now, but I find this goes so well with a good steak, or slow cooked short rib. I have a couple 12s and 13s laying away that I try to forget about. Can't wait to see what these bring in another 2-3 years. Honig is a tremendous value!
11/6/16, 7:37 PM - i just had the 2013 2 nights ago, and even with an hour decant, it was so tight and edgy. I barrel tasted this 2014, and while great, it could have been open to air for who knows how long... Glad to hear someone feels like I have with the Quivet wines, at least young. Going to keep the 14s for a several years. Thanks!
10/26/16, 7:26 PM - Not sure where you live, or what price you find this at, but here in New York, we grab this at Costco for $16.99, which is one of the best values I've come across. A fantastic wine regardless of price, but its value is incredible!
10/23/16, 5:57 AM - Did you decant for extended time? As a Tig fan, I've found that opening these bottles this young, within a year of release, can take on strange personalities. Even 1 extra year can make a big difference, and I've stopped drinking these until they're at least 5 years old, where they become a beautiful and predictable young wine. At the same time, I hold a few back and wait to see what 10 years or more brings. From what I've read, 20 years is a magic number for Tigs; I just don't think I have the will power, lol! Cheers!
10/22/16, 8:18 AM - Thanks for your notes on the Tigs! How was the overall event? I really wanted to go, but was out of town on business this past week. I've never been to any of their wine tasting events, but they sound like they're really well done.
9/16/16, 1:23 PM - I popped a bottle just over a year ago, and found it very tight. I gave it a 90 as well as it was underwhelming compared to the 2010 which I had tried days before and was incredible. I have one bottle left and figured it only needed a year, but I think I'll hold for another year and open it gets better. Thanks for sharing your experience!
9/4/16, 9:42 PM - Great review and thanks for sharing! I share the same feelings, but I've found that both Christian Moueix wines (Napanook and Dominus) to be the most old world I've ever tasted to come out of Napa, and he doesn't hide from it.
8/25/16, 3:14 PM - You do not need a cellar to properly store wine, unless your aging wines for year/decades. Simply keep it out of direct sun, extreme heat or cold. A sun faded label all but guarantees the wine was comprimised in some regard. I really hope you have the opportunity to give it a second chance; there is no shortage of wine making skill from this producer.
8/14/16, 10:23 PM - I've got one in the cellar, but haven't tried it yet. Personally, I'm not a fan of the old world style they put out. The 11 wasn't anything special, and neither have any of the top tier Dominus that I've tried. Just cause 11 was a bad year, doesn't mean that good wine makers can't produce good wines. I think the style of this wine, both top tier and Napanook, are kinda of Blah.
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