5/12/24, 7:14 PM - I wish I saw what you do in this wine, but I really don’t. It’s not tannic, per se, but seems almost excessively dry. There’s the lack of fruit, but more importantly a lack of complexity and finish. To me, there’s just nothing interesting going on here. I just opened another bottle tonight, and while it seems minutely less bad than my prior bottles, I’d still be happy to give away my remaining 2.
5/8/24, 11:24 AM - Yea, 15.5% seems excessive to me. I have a few bottles that I'm going to let sit for at least another year. Meanwhile, I wish I had more older vintages of their Crozes-Hermitage Domaine de Thalabert.
5/8/24, 5:27 PM - Thanks. I prefer at least moderate ABV wines. I've been looking for other good and moderately-priced Hermitage or Crozes-Hermitage, but so far haven't found anything that beats Thalabert for the money.
5/10/24, 9:07 AM - What recent vintages have lower ABV? I haven't seen that info anywhere.
5/10/24, 10:00 AM - Very useful info -- Thanks!
4/19/24, 9:30 PM - Interesting... there's been one more comment since that seems to echo the same thing. I also had one of these last summer and thought it drank marvelously. Was looking forward to opening another this weekend for my birthday, but you (@Sebastian80) seem to be implying that its evolution is not linear? That it was good, but now not so much, yet it should/will be again in the near future (if I'm understanding you correctly)?
4/21/24, 2:46 PM - Good to know. Thank you for the note and update.
4/17/24, 5:22 PM - My wine preferences have changed over time, such that my handle no longer reflects the types of wine I like right now. I should probably change it, but dont on the off chance anyone follows me or finds my notes useful.I hear you on the longevity of these wines and what they become. I have a bunch of 2021s that I'm letting sit for a while. I'll try to keep at least a few around for an extended period of time to see how they develop.
3/18/24, 7:10 PM - 2021 was a mediocre year in Beaujolais, with early frost and then cold and wet during the first months of the growing season. Perhaps that accounts for the more savory, less fruity flavors.
3/1/24, 7:02 PM - Thank you for noting ABV in your review. I’m finding more and more Cali and even Oregon pinots well over 14%, and it’s really not something I like.
2/20/24, 3:55 PM - I noticed you have several reviews of different Ahh Pinots over the past few months. From what I see here in CT, they seem to have exceedingly small distribution. Can you share some info about the wines and winery, and what you like about them? I’m curious, as your tastes seem to overlap with mine quite a bit. Thanks.
2/25/24, 1:39 PM - Interesting. Thanks for the info. If you like lighter, more elegant pinots, I would point you towards Gavin Chanin (Chanin wines) and Ernst Storm(Storm wines), both out of Santa Barbara. They're currently two of my favorites.
2/20/24, 3:48 PM - I love Belle Pente, especially this and the BP vineyard. It’s nice to know they can go that long.
2/25/24, 1:36 PM - Thanks -- I will take a look.
1/18/24, 5:52 AM - Can I ask what some of your preferred ones are?
12/25/23, 3:08 PM - (I also have a few bottles. Not sure I have an opinion yet , so I’m avidly following this discussion. )
12/15/23, 7:20 AM - Perhaps you had an off or tainted bottle? If that's the case, it's not fair to give it a rating.
10/8/23, 10:08 AM - Hi — When you say “high alcohol”, do you recall what the exact number is? I’m intrigued by this wine, but I’ve found I generally don’t care for pinots over about 14%.
10/8/23, 4:29 PM - Good to know. Thank you for the details.
10/7/23, 9:50 AM - What was the St. Aubin you had? I'm not familiar with them. Burgundy?
9/20/23, 8:33 PM - Ooops—user error. Fixed, and thanks for letting me know.
9/13/23, 6:13 AM - Hi — Your review sounds very positive, yet you give it only 50 points—basically toilet water score. That seems incongruous.
9/13/23, 6:48 PM - Thank you!
9/12/23, 1:39 PM - I would also be curious to hear your thoughts on drinking window. I just found this for sale and might pick up a few bottles.
8/8/23, 8:20 PM - I can assure you that their Pinots, especially single vineyard ones, are as good or better than their Chardonnays. Also check out their other (higher-end) label, Domaine de la Cote.
8/6/23, 10:14 AM - Of the bottle was flawed, it’s probably not fair to give it a score.
8/6/23, 6:50 PM - I get that. I would merely suggest that if a wine that most people think is at least decent is really that bad, there’s a good chance that bottle was flawed in some way.
7/26/23, 6:08 PM - Question: Perhaps this is splitting hairs, but asking seriously for my own information. You list the ABV as 13.5% but call it high alcohol. Where is the dividing line between and high? I would have thought 13.5 was moderate to moderate plus (at least for California Chards). I thought high was about 14 or over?
7/31/23, 5:28 PM - Hmm... I would have thought that low would be up to about 12%, moderate 12 - 13, and high around 14 and up.Re: Roserock Zephirine, thank you for the insight. I have a couple of 2017s (which surprisingly people don't seem to like as much as 2019) and 2019s. And I don't age anything for decades -- I don't have the space or patience. :-)
7/12/23, 8:47 PM - Sorry, I’m a bit confused are you saying these are maturing faster or slower than expected?
7/13/23, 8:27 PM - Ahhh, now I understand. I have noticed that generally CT users tend to give wines pretty long drinking windows.Separately, have you tried the 2021 version of this wine? Any thoughts on how it compares to 2019?
7/4/23, 11:54 AM - FYI, I’ve been able to post reviews without a score in both iOS app and website. I just leave that field blank.
7/7/23, 4:45 PM - Delighted to help.
7/1/23, 4:39 PM - Wait, you wish it was *more* expensive?
5/31/23, 7:53 AM - I suppose bottle variation is possible, or shipping damage, but the fact that two of my four bottles were mediocre leaves me somewhat skeptical of this. It could also be different tastes, and I'll admit to not liking most high alcohol pinots or Beaujolais.
5/18/23, 6:33 AM - 10% Cab? I know a small percentage of other grapes are allowed, but haven’t heard of Cabernet being used.
5/19/23, 8:58 PM - Wow, ok then. Thanks!
5/4/23, 12:59 PM - If you find someplace that still has them for sale, please let me know. I'd love to get some more if they're available at a non-outrageous price.
4/30/23, 10:00 AM - Your comment about it becoming less fruity after an hour in the decanter is spot on. I wish I had read that before opening. It initially displayed notable residual sugar, but that seemed to fade (or be less noticable) after a while.
2/19/23, 10:25 AM - Interesting group, but perhaps it's not entirely fair to compare a lighter, younger Fleurie against mostly older, heavier wines.
2/19/23, 10:58 AM - Sounds very cool. I should try something like that. And thank you for explaining.
12/20/22, 6:17 AM - Sadly, 3x wine markup is pretty common in restaurants here too. And that’s over retail prices. That’s why I greatly prefer BYO places.
12/3/22, 10:17 AM - Thank you for all your detailed tasting notes. I’m also a fan of Chanin pinots, but not had this vineyard before. I found a 2020 available near me, and might try it.
11/1/22, 6:17 PM - Oh yeah.
10/19/22, 10:14 AM - Thanks. I'll hold off for a bit before trying any more.
9/16/22, 9:49 AM - Hmm... I'm not familiar with mercaptan -- will have to look that up. I took a flyer on these from Last Bottle. Do you think this is a one-off issue with that bottle, or something that's liable to be an issue with all of them?
9/20/22, 5:02 PM - Thanks. I will try one again soon(ish) and report back.
9/5/22, 11:50 AM - Perhaps marking the bottle as spoiled would be more appropriate, rather than entering a negative rating, since it sounds like this bottle isn't representative of the wine.
9/6/22, 7:43 PM - Thank you.
8/1/22, 6:12 AM - Thanks for the detailed note. It’s interesting that the proportions in 2019’s blend were different from 2018 (I noted them in my first review). I have 4 of the 2019s that I have tried yet.
7/10/22, 9:47 PM - P.S. If you like this, check out Anne Sophie Dubois’s Les Cocottes Fleurie. They’re hard to find, but also fabulous with a little more complexity.
5/28/22, 10:27 PM - I’ve had enjoyed several her Fleurie’s and enjoyed them all. My favorite is probably Les Cocottes, the lightest and freshest of bunch. Highly recommended if you can find any.
5/28/22, 10:10 PM - Good question. I’ve only had a few other Chenas, and several others have had the hint of effervescence. As for the tons of tart cherry / high acid, I’m not sure.
3/19/22, 2:59 PM - Have you had any of his other wines? I have several but have tried them yet.
3/23/22, 8:48 PM - Thanks. I picked up two of his 2019 Morgon's at Binny's (I'm just south of you in 60202) but haven't tried them yet.
2/25/22, 6:49 AM - I have several other Thivin wines—Brouilly Reverdon (my favorite so far) Côte de Brouilly, and Zaccharie (pending). Any thoughts on the differences between these and the La Chapelle?
2/28/22, 8:46 PM - Thanks -- I appreciate the feedback.
2/22/22, 7:09 AM - Hi — Do you think this vintage still has its crispness? Wine Spies is offering it today.
1/18/22, 6:18 PM - I've had the 2018 and 2019 vintages of this wine, and it's consistently one of my favorite Beaujolais. I haven't tried the 2020 yet, but it sounds as delicious as her previous ones.
1/20/22, 8:04 PM - FYI, she makes at least two other Fleurie’s: L’alchimiste and Les Labourons. Both are heavier and darker than this.
12/15/21, 6:47 AM - Wow, where is Zachy’s? Is it still available at that price?
12/15/21, 8:37 PM - Drats. Figures. Thanks, though.
12/13/21, 8:59 PM - I suspect you may have had a bad bottle, in which case i’s not fair to rate it.
12/5/21, 12:42 PM - I have a couple of bottles as well. It's still very young--the recommended drinking window doesn't start for several years. You might consider putting the remainder aside for a while, then trying again. The wine will likely be much improved with a year or two of age.
12/5/21, 2:02 PM - Fair enough. I appreciate the explanation.
12/3/21, 9:27 PM - Sorry, I’m not clear on all your abbreviations. BJR???
12/4/21, 10:17 AM - Never mind -- I just figured it out. Duuuhh.
11/17/21, 8:29 PM - Hi -- Can I ask, if you find this wine to be lacking depth and complexity, how does that merit a rating of 92 points? That score seems at odds with your description.
10/15/21, 5:49 PM - @srh: Do you write (or have an affiliation with) the Costco Wine Blog referenced in your link? Or is it merely something you came across?
10/16/21, 8:57 AM - @srh: Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification — I’m very conscious of bias when I read wine reviews. Separately, I’m amused that there’s even a site reviewing Costco wines. I had no idea such a thing existed, but I probably shouldn’t be surprised.
10/11/21, 1:32 PM - Touché. In truth, my "handle" no longer reflects my current tastes, but it's what the few people I'm in touch with here know me by, so not worth changing.
9/23/21, 9:17 AM - Thanks, I've read that distributor note. Do you have any sense of how this is likely to evolve over time?
9/4/21, 6:25 PM - I just had a bottle tonight and it was delicious. Full of life and flavor. It sounds like you may have had a bad or improperly stored bottle, in which case may I suggest that it is not fair to score the wine based on a spoiled sample?
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