5 years since my previous TN, and at that time I thought the wine would drink best in/around 2015. I lost sight of my TN and the bottle sat in my cellar but I saw PIntag's TN today so I thought I'd pull my final bottle and give it a whirl. Opened this about 2 hours ago. Some pinot funk infuses the aromatic with a nice presence, as well as into the palate. I also notice what seems like some wood, akin to a toasted barrel note. Not sure how much wood was used 12 years ago, which in 2006 was really the final vintage before Wells took on the philosophy change to his winemaking. I respectfully want to differ with PINtag's note, as there is to me a good amount of stuffing left in this bottle, showing as a dark apple and raspberry quality, with residual grip in the wine (probably helped by the light chill I put on the wine). The red fruit frames the core of the wine, remaining to me fresh and still vivid. At 12 years old, I would look for some component of aged quality in the wine, yet I don't find it. The color remains intact, there is no spice box or other aged aromas/flavors, just a cool core of fresh red fruits with the apple. I don't see any rush to open remaining bottles if you have them, provided they drink like this one, which coincidentally I sourced from Winebid back in 2015. This pursuit of tasting wines, writing TNs and sharing is not about finding truth as much as it is sharing perception, which is subject to vary from palate to palate.
13.0% abv. Recent WineBid purchase. Cork in surprisingly good shape (especially after seeing the previous note describing it as "disintegrated"), as it came out in one easy piece and was barely stained a few millimeters up. In any case, the nose was pretty reticent but showed some earthy and yes, graphite as noted below. Not particularly attractive, but interesting. On the palate, this had nice, silky mouthfeel but the fruit was really faded. Acidity was lacking a bit as well which left this seeming a bit flat and over-the-hill. Not bad at all, but not super enjoyable. An interesting look into a well-made domestic Pinot that is not ageworthy. Not sure what factors into this, inferior fruit; young vines; wine-making technique? Some of each? Edit: Also, virtually no sediment at all. Not really scoring this since it is obviously well past peak, but would be 85-86 if I was.
My last bottle. This wine was real hard to get a read on from the nose, as it never did give up much (despite being open for more than ~16 hours). The "bouquet" gave little to no fruit flavors and I think FMIII got it right in describing it mostly as graphite. Thankfully, the palate was much more giving. What I found was a wine focused, with some good energy with a core of red apple skin and dark cranberries. There's good acidity, which keeps it all fresh and linear. This was a nice drink, and it is too bad it was my last bottle, as I think another 1-2 years would put it into its optimal drinking window for my palate.
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W grilled chicken. Good solid pinot, good color, cherry nose and fruity on palate at first. Then it turned steely after 1 hour. Dinish was ok. Drink now.
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W salmon fom grill. Good wine. Nice mature color, decent restrained nose and mostly reddish fruit/cherry flavors. Good finish. This is at the top. Drink now.
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One year between bottles, and this is my last 06 MT in the cellar. My note from 2012 and drinking the wine now, there are similarities and for what it's worth, this note is like that one having the advantage of 24 hrs of air. Similar to the last bottle, showing black cherry and red apple. The wine is still texturally soft, akin to the remark I made in my 2012 note about lacking 'finesse'. Graphite on the nose with this bottle, not something I found last time. What I find now is a plumper wine, yet enough cranberry in the finish to give it some lift, some decent acidity. I'd not age this much more and would recommend hitting this wine in the next 1-2 years, say before end of 2015. It's ready now and drinking fine.
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Not fruit forward, some interesting structure, but all in all not very interesting. I was really expecting more. I have one left to give it another shot.
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grerat balance between nice berry flavors and some back of the tongue minerals. I could have decanted it more, but it was really nice with the thanksgiving feast
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Almost two years down the road since my last bottle. This fine pinot has put on a little more weight. The cherry/raspberry/strawberry fruit pie is still there, but the rustic, earthy, minerality is better expressed. This is still a definite "hold," but drinking well now with a 3-5 hr decant. Probably will begin to peak in 2014-15.
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18 months between bottles. The one here has been open for about a day so good aeration to offer some perspective. Enjoying with a light chill. Listed alc on bottle of 13.0%. So, to where this wine stands with 5 years of age....drinking with a fuller profile, broad across the palate. Black cherry, raspberry, candy red apple and watermelon. While it lacks in the Copain finesse that the wines show in more recent vintages, the fruit here is present, juicy and satisfying. There's acid remaining so I'd not say there is a big rush but I would say in my view that I don't expect the wine to improve as there is not a lot of other structure present. I'd say this wine is at peak and with the one bottle I have left, I will drink before 2014.
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W chicken. Margaret & Bill visiting. Had after hartford court seven bench. This is more restrained. It got better but i am uncertain about "very good". It has life left but not more than 5 ys. The ten anniversary. Cherry and indeed i like the red apple characteristic. Good wine.
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Need to stop doing this with Copain Wines...I buy three of each, drink one in the first 30 days, another 6 months later and finally save the last bottle for 2-3 years down the road only to be surprised at how fresh and vibrant the wine still is and alas disappointed that I did not wait longer. I have to admit that I would not have detected the strong red apple flavor without the previous notes, but it is very prevalent and actually pretty enjoyable considering that this is not a taste I normally look for in my Cali Pinots. What is most noticeable to me is the subtlety of aromas on the nose, a little rhubarb pie in a glass. This may not ever get any better, but I really wish I had another bottle to find out. Saving half the bottle for day 2 in hopes to get a glimpse into the wine's future.
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Copain Visit To Taste The 2009s and 2010s (Copain Winery In RRV): This wine is in a very good place, really has rounded out into a beautifully crafted wine. Pure red apple, gentle and delicate, along with raspberry, even some game. Yet, it still has some rocky/mineral qualities and give this wine a few more years, stick it alongside something from the Cote de Or, tell me it can't hang right there. Really just shining now and will get even better.
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Isn't it great when a wine changes your mind about something? For months now I've been gravitating toward the feeling that Burgundies have a fresh liveliness that you can't seem to get in a California pinot without the acidity feeling shrill - but this bottle bucks that trend. The fruit profile is very much like my last tasting - tangy but fairly deep red fruits evocative of raspberry, cranberry, rhubarb, and the like. There is some structure here as well, with an ever-so-slight herbal vegetal edge that brings to mind apple skin and darker notes of tea, with a tiny hint of pine needle/ underbrush that appears in a lot of the Copain wines, although I don't think it comes from stems in this case. The acidity here is notable for lending a great juiciness with verve, and a touch of oak rounds out the tangy fruits with a hint of a caramel-like note that gives this just enough sweetness to make this accessible. This compares very well with a several '06 and '07village wines I've tasted recently from Roumier and Fourrier - perhaps not as much earthiness but just as much mouth-watering juiciness, and fruit that may be the most pleasing in the group. Reinforces for me that this is one of the best pinot producers in California, recognizable as a Copain wine, with a lot of similar characteristics to offerings from Rhys. An excellent showing that indicates the depth of Wells Guthrie's lineup, ranging from Kiser bottlings to Wentzel and to this, all performing at a very high level.
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California Vs Burgundy Blind (Frank Murray's Casa): Served blind. Ripe baked fruits on a round candy like nose. Little bit volatile. Broad and clean palate. Very juicy at the finish. Clearly Cali. Never would have guessed Copain though this bottling has never wowed me as much as some of the others.
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Burg Dinner (CA and France--Served Blind!) (Murray Casa): This was Robo's bottle. Well decanted before the event and served in the decanter, too. Seemed still a bit grippy to me. Red apple, a soil note which I liked and very nice length and medium weight. Was actually my #2 wine of the red flight and for the group, got 5 votes (no 1st, however), 11 total points and finished overall in 3rd place.
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My notes are similar to those I posted last year (8/7/2009), so I will not repeat everything here. Suffice it to say that this is still very youthful. Sprightly and crisp on day 1, with a little more heft and balance on day 2. Definitely still a "hold."
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Copain Dinner at Craft NYC (New York): Some dirt and funk coming out on the nose now, the second time around. Olive/ licorice as well. Nice; upgrading to 91-93; showing very well. Sweet fruit, good juicy acidity. Pretty red berries, very pleasing.
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Copain Dinner at Craft NYC (New York): Prettiest nose of the 3 Copain pinots in this flight, at least right now. Sweet fruit, some vanilla, smoke, caramel. A little denser in mouthfeel than the others (Wentzel, Kiser en Haut).
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Nose of strawberries and underlying earth. Red fruit in abundance with acidity slightly on the high side. Should come into balance in a few years, but nothing wrong with drinking it now. Paired well with planked slamon.
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Still youthful and in need of either further cellaring (2-5yr) or 2+ hr decant. Nonetheless, this is sprightly at first, with gobs of fruit (cranberry, raspberry, strawberry, rhubard...you know, all the regular cast), with a hint of earthiness. The latter shows up in more force after an hour or so, adding to the charm of this wine. It has some bright acidity which augers well for further aging.
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Thanksgiving dinner with all the trimmings and I opened this. Very tart and high level of acidity. A bit of menthol. Comes around with time to reveal some raspberry and pepper. Generally nice but not great.
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Pale garnet color. Light fruit on the nose with some raspberry and red currant. Also some dried leaves. Light tannins with nice acidity. Good balance. Started off very tart and red fruited. After a few hours in the decanter it gained weight and deeper, darker aromatics.
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Popped and poured. Initial nose impression was of wild strawberries, a bit of mushroom, and crushed black tea leaves. With aeration in the glass, I really noticed substantial gains in both complexity and volume on the nose, with a lovely floral edge emerging. A sleek and elegant textured pinot, with slightly tart cherry and cranberry fruit, and sound acidity. Just the slightest suggestion of new wood on the finish lingers nicely and leaves a favorable impression. A very young pinot that is undoubtedly built to age.
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A new wine for Wells and Copain--added to the database here. Cherry, blackberry (which has a riper tone than I would have expected given the 12.8% alcohol) and lemony acidity. The finish is a bit leathery with some wet stone at this stage so the wine needs further time to settle but was bottled recently so that's to be expected, as well.
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11/17/2018 - Frank Murray III wrote:
5 years since my previous TN, and at that time I thought the wine would drink best in/around 2015. I lost sight of my TN and the bottle sat in my cellar but I saw PIntag's TN today so I thought I'd pull my final bottle and give it a whirl. Opened this about 2 hours ago. Some pinot funk infuses the aromatic with a nice presence, as well as into the palate. I also notice what seems like some wood, akin to a toasted barrel note. Not sure how much wood was used 12 years ago, which in 2006 was really the final vintage before Wells took on the philosophy change to his winemaking. I respectfully want to differ with PINtag's note, as there is to me a good amount of stuffing left in this bottle, showing as a dark apple and raspberry quality, with residual grip in the wine (probably helped by the light chill I put on the wine). The red fruit frames the core of the wine, remaining to me fresh and still vivid. At 12 years old, I would look for some component of aged quality in the wine, yet I don't find it. The color remains intact, there is no spice box or other aged aromas/flavors, just a cool core of fresh red fruits with the apple. I don't see any rush to open remaining bottles if you have them, provided they drink like this one, which coincidentally I sourced from Winebid back in 2015. This pursuit of tasting wines, writing TNs and sharing is not about finding truth as much as it is sharing perception, which is subject to vary from palate to palate.
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11/16/2018 - PIntag wrote:
13.0% abv. Recent WineBid purchase.
Cork in surprisingly good shape (especially after seeing the previous note describing it as "disintegrated"), as it came out in one easy piece and was barely stained a few millimeters up.
In any case, the nose was pretty reticent but showed some earthy and yes, graphite as noted below. Not particularly attractive, but interesting.
On the palate, this had nice, silky mouthfeel but the fruit was really faded. Acidity was lacking a bit as well which left this seeming a bit flat and over-the-hill. Not bad at all, but not super enjoyable. An interesting look into a well-made domestic Pinot that is not ageworthy. Not sure what factors into this, inferior fruit; young vines; wine-making technique? Some of each?
Edit: Also, virtually no sediment at all. Not really scoring this since it is obviously well past peak, but would be 85-86 if I was.
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7/18/2016 - Tallhoyalawya Likes this wine: 91 Points
Cork disintegrated but the wine was still great.
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1/31/2015 - rjoyer wrote:
My last bottle. This wine was real hard to get a read on from the nose, as it never did give up much (despite being open for more than ~16 hours). The "bouquet" gave little to no fruit flavors and I think FMIII got it right in describing it mostly as graphite. Thankfully, the palate was much more giving. What I found was a wine focused, with some good energy with a core of red apple skin and dark cranberries. There's good acidity, which keeps it all fresh and linear. This was a nice drink, and it is too bad it was my last bottle, as I think another 1-2 years would put it into its optimal drinking window for my palate.
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8/29/2014 - MichielV wrote: 90 Points
W grilled chicken. Good solid pinot, good color, cherry nose and fruity on palate at first. Then it turned steely after 1 hour. Dinish was ok. Drink now.
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6/29/2014 - MichielV wrote: 90 Points
W salmon fom grill. Good wine. Nice mature color, decent restrained nose and mostly reddish fruit/cherry flavors. Good finish. This is at the top. Drink now.
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5/11/2014 - snowman94114 wrote:
rich, thick, nice tannins. 92pts. Definitley ready now
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11/2/2013 - Frank Murray III wrote:
One year between bottles, and this is my last 06 MT in the cellar. My note from 2012 and drinking the wine now, there are similarities and for what it's worth, this note is like that one having the advantage of 24 hrs of air. Similar to the last bottle, showing black cherry and red apple. The wine is still texturally soft, akin to the remark I made in my 2012 note about lacking 'finesse'. Graphite on the nose with this bottle, not something I found last time. What I find now is a plumper wine, yet enough cranberry in the finish to give it some lift, some decent acidity. I'd not age this much more and would recommend hitting this wine in the next 1-2 years, say before end of 2015. It's ready now and drinking fine.
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5/12/2013 - pjhr wrote: 91 Points
Similar tasting notes to previous bottle.
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3/6/2013 - pjhr wrote: 91 Points
Drinking better than last year and improved with 8 hour slow-ox, with richer sour cherry notes on the finish from what I remember.
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2/23/2013 - rralls wrote: 90 Points
Solid but uninspiring.
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12/29/2012 - sw92130 wrote: 88 Points
Not fruit forward, some interesting structure, but all in all not very interesting. I was really expecting more. I have one left to give it another shot.
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11/22/2012 - eltejano wrote: 91 Points
grerat balance between nice berry flavors and some back of the tongue minerals. I could have decanted it more, but it was really nice with the thanksgiving feast
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10/20/2012 - Haggis wrote: 91 Points
Almost two years down the road since my last bottle. This fine pinot has put on a little more weight. The cherry/raspberry/strawberry fruit pie is still there, but the rustic, earthy, minerality is better expressed. This is still a definite "hold," but drinking well now with a 3-5 hr decant. Probably will begin to peak in 2014-15.
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8/29/2012 - Frank Murray III wrote:
18 months between bottles. The one here has been open for about a day so good aeration to offer some perspective. Enjoying with a light chill. Listed alc on bottle of 13.0%. So, to where this wine stands with 5 years of age....drinking with a fuller profile, broad across the palate. Black cherry, raspberry, candy red apple and watermelon. While it lacks in the Copain finesse that the wines show in more recent vintages, the fruit here is present, juicy and satisfying. There's acid remaining so I'd not say there is a big rush but I would say in my view that I don't expect the wine to improve as there is not a lot of other structure present. I'd say this wine is at peak and with the one bottle I have left, I will drink before 2014.
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2/15/2012 - pjhr wrote: 90 Points
Dark cherry and earth on the nose and palate with excellent balance and tasty acidity on the finish with a hint of freshly sliced apple .
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11/17/2011 - CasaHernandez wrote:
Incredibly enjoyable. Delicious and can't really add much more to what everyone else has already said.
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8/12/2011 - MichielV wrote: 90 Points
W chicken. Margaret & Bill visiting. Had after hartford court seven bench. This is more restrained. It got better but i am uncertain about "very good". It has life left but not more than 5 ys. The ten anniversary. Cherry and indeed i like the red apple characteristic. Good wine.
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8/1/2011 - IAMVLAD wrote: 88 Points
enjoyable but very young. a bit of a medicinal taste that faded.
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4/28/2011 - GWH wrote: 92 Points
Need to stop doing this with Copain Wines...I buy three of each, drink one in the first 30 days, another 6 months later and finally save the last bottle for 2-3 years down the road only to be surprised at how fresh and vibrant the wine still is and alas disappointed that I did not wait longer. I have to admit that I would not have detected the strong red apple flavor without the previous notes, but it is very prevalent and actually pretty enjoyable considering that this is not a taste I normally look for in my Cali Pinots. What is most noticeable to me is the subtlety of aromas on the nose, a little rhubarb pie in a glass. This may not ever get any better, but I really wish I had another bottle to find out. Saving half the bottle for day 2 in hopes to get a glimpse into the wine's future.
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3/17/2011 - Frank Murray III wrote:
Copain Visit To Taste The 2009s and 2010s (Copain Winery In RRV): This wine is in a very good place, really has rounded out into a beautifully crafted wine. Pure red apple, gentle and delicate, along with raspberry, even some game. Yet, it still has some rocky/mineral qualities and give this wine a few more years, stick it alongside something from the Cote de Or, tell me it can't hang right there. Really just shining now and will get even better.
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12/25/2010 - amateurwino wrote: 92 Points
Isn't it great when a wine changes your mind about something? For months now I've been gravitating toward the feeling that Burgundies have a fresh liveliness that you can't seem to get in a California pinot without the acidity feeling shrill - but this bottle bucks that trend. The fruit profile is very much like my last tasting - tangy but fairly deep red fruits evocative of raspberry, cranberry, rhubarb, and the like. There is some structure here as well, with an ever-so-slight herbal vegetal edge that brings to mind apple skin and darker notes of tea, with a tiny hint of pine needle/ underbrush that appears in a lot of the Copain wines, although I don't think it comes from stems in this case. The acidity here is notable for lending a great juiciness with verve, and a touch of oak rounds out the tangy fruits with a hint of a caramel-like note that gives this just enough sweetness to make this accessible. This compares very well with a several '06 and '07village wines I've tasted recently from Roumier and Fourrier - perhaps not as much earthiness but just as much mouth-watering juiciness, and fruit that may be the most pleasing in the group. Reinforces for me that this is one of the best pinot producers in California, recognizable as a Copain wine, with a lot of similar characteristics to offerings from Rhys. An excellent showing that indicates the depth of Wells Guthrie's lineup, ranging from Kiser bottlings to Wentzel and to this, all performing at a very high level.
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12/4/2010 - WetRock wrote:
California Vs Burgundy Blind (Frank Murray's Casa): Served blind. Ripe baked fruits on a round candy like nose. Little bit volatile. Broad and clean palate. Very juicy at the finish. Clearly Cali. Never would have guessed Copain though this bottling has never wowed me as much as some of the others.
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12/4/2010 - Frank Murray III wrote:
Burg Dinner (CA and France--Served Blind!) (Murray Casa): This was Robo's bottle. Well decanted before the event and served in the decanter, too. Seemed still a bit grippy to me. Red apple, a soil note which I liked and very nice length and medium weight. Was actually my #2 wine of the red flight and for the group, got 5 votes (no 1st, however), 11 total points and finished overall in 3rd place.
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12/2/2010 - Haggis wrote: 90 Points
My notes are similar to those I posted last year (8/7/2009), so I will not repeat everything here. Suffice it to say that this is still very youthful. Sprightly and crisp on day 1, with a little more heft and balance on day 2. Definitely still a "hold."
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9/14/2010 - alanr Likes this wine: 92 Points
Copain open house, Sept. 2010 (Copain winery): Nice medium cherry, touch of black tea, excellent balance, very nice.
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4/26/2010 - amateurwino wrote: 92 Points
Copain Dinner at Craft NYC (New York): Some dirt and funk coming out on the nose now, the second time around. Olive/ licorice as well. Nice; upgrading to 91-93; showing very well. Sweet fruit, good juicy acidity. Pretty red berries, very pleasing.
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4/26/2010 - amateurwino wrote:
Copain Dinner at Craft NYC (New York): Prettiest nose of the 3 Copain pinots in this flight, at least right now. Sweet fruit, some vanilla, smoke, caramel. A little denser in mouthfeel than the others (Wentzel, Kiser en Haut).
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2/26/2010 - Frank Murray III wrote:
Copain Dinner With Wells Guthrie In The OC (Studio Restaurant @ The Montage, Laguna Beach, CA): Tasted side by side with the 2007 MT. My notes clearly show I preferred the 2006. A nose of cherry, earth and clay. A palate of tart red apple, leaner styled and beautiful with an apple finish. Really nice and of note, 0% stem inclusion.
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10/8/2009 - Larry G wrote: 90 Points
Nose of strawberries and underlying earth. Red fruit in abundance with acidity slightly on the high side. Should come into balance in a few years, but nothing wrong with drinking it now. Paired well with planked slamon.
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8/7/2009 - Haggis wrote: 90 Points
Still youthful and in need of either further cellaring (2-5yr) or 2+ hr decant. Nonetheless, this is sprightly at first, with gobs of fruit (cranberry, raspberry, strawberry, rhubard...you know, all the regular cast), with a hint of earthiness. The latter shows up in more force after an hour or so, adding to the charm of this wine. It has some bright acidity which augers well for further aging.
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7/19/2009 - WetRock wrote:
Roy's with EWG (Roy's, Pasadena, CA): Woody yet tight nose. Nicely balanced and on the lean side. Tastes like plain Pinot though lacking interest.
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4/12/2009 - eltejano wrote: 88 Points
still young, needs some time to get together- hints of grapefruit mostly stood out, high acid, tart...
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3/14/2009 - amateurwino wrote:
Fruit and slight barnyardy leather on the nose; ample acidity to age.
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11/27/2008 - t_moderne wrote: 87 Points
Thanksgiving dinner with all the trimmings and I opened this. Very tart and high level of acidity. A bit of menthol. Comes around with time to reveal some raspberry and pepper. Generally nice but not great.
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11/2/2008 - kris.h wrote: 90 Points
Pale garnet color. Light fruit on the nose with some raspberry and red currant. Also some dried leaves. Light tannins with nice acidity. Good balance. Started off very tart and red fruited. After a few hours in the decanter it gained weight and deeper, darker aromatics.
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6/16/2008 - Dale M wrote: 90 Points
Popped and poured. Initial nose impression was of wild strawberries, a bit of mushroom, and crushed black tea leaves. With aeration in the glass, I really noticed substantial gains in both complexity and volume on the nose, with a lovely floral edge emerging. A sleek and elegant textured pinot, with slightly tart cherry and cranberry fruit, and sound acidity. Just the slightest suggestion of new wood on the finish lingers nicely and leaves a favorable impression. A very young pinot that is undoubtedly built to age.
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4/7/2008 - Frank Murray III wrote:
A new wine for Wells and Copain--added to the database here. Cherry, blackberry (which has a riper tone than I would have expected given the 12.8% alcohol) and lemony acidity. The finish is a bit leathery with some wet stone at this stage so the wine needs further time to settle but was bottled recently so that's to be expected, as well.
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