3/15/24, 1:06 AM - Hi CS!, yes, I think this a bit too gewurzy. I tasted at CD with the owner's son; gave him my suggested rebalance of the varieties just as his parents arrived home. They were coming to a similar conclusion. Dunno if they obeyed me in vintages subsequent to 22 - haven't found it open when I've been back to Tas since!
11/12/23, 1:28 PM - Not falling over by any means, but hard to see benefit in holding past 10 years. Doesn't seem to have been the greatest vintage, if the shiraz wines evaluation can be superimposed on the mataro. Caveat - I haven't experience with older bottlings of this wine, though.
9/17/23, 12:48 AM - Yes. I usually try to avoid too many abbreviations but I do admit to writing RS and malo a bit.
4/14/23, 4:30 AM - I see Treasury sold the business to Casella back in 2017, which probably wasn't a bad thing. I suspect the wines have improved considerably since then; I was quite impressed by a visit to the CD back in January. Less so by the bottle of this wine that I've just drunk!
12/15/22, 12:50 PM - Hi Greg, thanks very kind - thanks for your comment. Re-reading the note, it does bring back the memories quite vividly, although I don't think it was ever going to be a wine I'd forget! This, and a top-notch 89 Haut-Brion might just be the best reds I've ever had (still waiting for someone to pour some DRC down my throat!) cheers
9/13/22, 4:04 PM - Ha - yes, I saw the email mentioning the availability. No wonder they didn't mention the price - it's not decent any more!
12/10/21, 1:20 AM - Possibly untypical. Storage may have been an issue. Each time I’ve tried this I thought it was my first time; yet I now have 4 notes here on CT; one says it’s great, three say it’s crap! But it’s always with other wines, so context may play a part. Never drank a whole bottle of the 04 over a few hours. At $100 a bottle these days it’s not a wine I have any interest in any longer.
7/7/21, 1:43 AM - BS457 - as in too short?
7/7/21, 1:42 AM - I thought it was diam not natural cork, yes? I’m confident with the one but not the other...!
5/13/21, 2:25 PM - Well, I have one magnum. So, fingers crossed!
3/31/21, 10:13 PM - I was expecting something a bit livelier, it seemed a bit flabby overall. In that sense it was disappointing, but it's marsanne, you know? So it's not really great now. It may get better with more age. I had a 2003 last year that was very good. It was a decent enough vintage I think. Low risk to keep them. I wouldn't open another in a hurry though. If I could get $200 a bottle I'd ship them off to auction...!
3/14/21, 8:05 PM - Ah, the ol' reverse utility... If I hate it, you'll think it's worth getting, and if I think it's great, you know what to avoid. They're all data points, eh? A palate that's diametrically opposed to yours is almost as good as one that aligns perfectly!
3/11/21, 7:31 PM - In that case, I'm very pleased to hear it!
12/18/20, 2:40 PM - D
11/30/20, 1:54 PM - Not sure I get the screwcap reference? In any case, I'm not much worried about the price of a wine when I write a note; except that it gives some context. In the case of Bin 28, it was a bankable, decent wine for a very reasonable price in the 20th century. Not so these days, at least in my experience. (And filling a Camry with premium does double its value as far as I'm concerned.)
11/30/20, 1:37 PM - Well, I've never felt sadder to be proved correct, I must say. Sorry for your experience!
8/4/20, 12:30 AM - Well, I'll defer to that assessment on specific stylistic grounds - we didn't have a Cheval or Figeac to compare to! - but it was a very lovely wine nonetheless, and besides, StE makes a pretty broad range of styles, surely.
6/17/20, 11:40 PM - Cork or screwcap? Interested to know.
6/18/20, 12:01 AM - Thanks. I wasn't all that impressed with a screwcapped example last year either. The conflicting opinions are interesting.
6/6/20, 12:30 AM - Yes, it’s a bit Brigadoon, as wineries go! No idea of current status of vineyards, brand, ownership. Had some lovely wines over the years but I imagine a vertical from the 70s would be rather a shop of horrors. Suspect someone harvests from the vineyards but the brand is moribund these days. All I know of it was from Halliday’s Classic Wines 3rd ed (2002), although I did once have dinner with the then Hope Estate guys who’d just acquired the operation about 20 years ago.I added a photo of one page of the Halliday book to the 2005 vintage with some history, albeit 20 years old!
4/27/20, 12:04 AM - Different Drummer is a sauvignon blanc. Posted against wrong wine maybe?
2/9/20, 6:44 PM - Poor phrasing on my part. Looks like it could be a pinot. Doesn't taste like one!
1/12/20, 2:39 PM - I think the sub-$30 wines are correctly priced, yes, to put it another way! I like Elenay (in good vintages) and Kiss; Dam Block seems promising.
6/17/19, 4:13 PM - Well, I guess with cabernet it's going to taste 'less Hunterish' than the straight shirazes. But I think it would equally stick out in a line-up of Barossa/McLaren equivalents. So I wouldn't hesitate to buy if you fear duplicating wines from elsewhere in the country.I too was used to buying Tyrrell's private bin stuff at very competitive prices and am also feeling the pinch. But I guess since they sold off Long Flat and decided to go upmarket for quality it was inevitable. Certainly they're well priced against the top Mount Pleasant wines, or Brokenwood
3/2/19, 12:58 AM - Hey Chatters, was this under screwcap or cork? DM is one of those wines I want to like but seem to be disappointed with, at least the cellared variants.
12/12/18, 4:34 PM - Considering that Penfolds' shiraz fruit goes first to Grange, special bins, St Henri, Bin 150, Bin 389, and 128 takes Coonawarra, it's hardly surprising that Bin 28 has been disappointing for the last decade at least. You have more confidence in its future than I!
10/12/18, 3:23 PM - The thing about tasting at the CD is that you never know how long the bottles have been open. I occasionally find something verging on oxidised - in which case I say something and they usually open a new one - which I may mention in the note. But it can be a variable. Although, with MP you'd think the tasting room traffic would keep the bottles fairly fresh. Still, there could be a variance of a day's air quite easily between bottles.
10/3/18, 1:43 AM - Well, I didn't read your note before posting mine, and I found exactly the same acid spike - almost spritz for me. It's always comforting to write 'blind' and then find that you appear to have quoted someone else!
3/25/18, 5:23 PM - Not many. But I read enough critics' tastings to know that the old Len-Evans-era mantra "an Oz chardy can never be as good as a GC by definition" is a crock of crap! I thought this pretty special.
3/25/18, 5:19 PM - Nup! Tasted this too many times to think anything other than a fairly simple oaky wine is on offer here. It's nice enough, but there's no dimension to it in my view.
8/6/17, 7:45 PM - Not dumb; rather, it's too advanced for its age. Seems to have plunged downhill very quickly I think.
4/4/17, 11:35 PM - Yeah, it's not going to fall over in a hurry. I'll probably avoid my remaining bottle for a few more years too.
3/29/17, 1:50 AM - Hmm. Hadn't thought of it that way. I have better Stevens, and I don't think there's any real improvement left (will hold though). So, a bit below I guess. Or not something to age for 20 years.
3/26/17, 3:29 AM - I've had a few older Oz chardonnays which would be expected to be quite corpse-like, but have surprised in a great way. Mt Horrocks. Vat 47 at 20+ years; you can be impressed although the drinking window is narrow at this age. Never presume!
3/26/17, 3:06 AM - Yeah, of all the Australian wineries who needed screwcaps, Tahbilk was pre-eminent. Nothing quite matched the feeling of pulling a cork marked "R2" from an old marsanne, and finding it stuffed. Use an "R1" you bastards! Good to know that the 97 Reserve can be great, if you've got enough bottles! I have one roll of the dice to go.
11/8/16, 9:33 PM - Well, given what they want for recent releases, and with sure provenance, I guess it's OK. A$100 is a pretty big mental hurdle for me, but compared to what else is around for the price it's probably OK.
6/12/16, 9:17 PM - Honestly don't know. I've only really had their trophy-winners, seemingly between 5-10 years of age. Never had a 15-yo one. A decade post-vintage would seem to be obvious, beyond that, hard to say.
4/2/16, 2:58 AM - Oh, well, I guess because I'd never tasted one before; hadn't heard anything about the grape at all in fact. Never lived in Spain... I do accept that the French seem to have had all the publicity concerning grapes, and that reputations aren't where they might be. Albarino and Cortese have greater potential to my palate than pinot gris or viognier, for example, but that'd be a minority view, at least to judge by publicity. I look forward to tasting a great Mencia, assuming I can buy it somewhere in Oz!
10/9/15, 3:17 AM - I think that impression of under-ripeness might be assisted by the fact that Tyrrell's don't let this go through a malo ferment. It's more popular now, but I think they were in the early crowd with this technique. I guess this emphasises the 'natural' acidity, which in turn makes you wonder about the ripeness. Despite its ancient (by Oz standards) lineage, I think this still remains one of Oz's most under-rated chardies.
10/7/15, 7:57 PM - Well, not swear-on-a-bible sure! The SRW show tasting is fairly busy; I usually check to see if I can read the % on the label. I don't have my original bit of paper 2 years on, so it's possible I either read it wrongly or transcribed wrongly from my tasting sheet. Of course, Halliday might be wrong too!
9/19/15, 11:16 PM - Ah well, that's what comes from buying from at Waitrose in Windsor! No bargains there, obviously. I didn't have the time to look properly. North Cheam, eh? This is just around the corner from Tony Hancock I presume.
7/2/15, 10:33 PM - Congrats, and a suitably enthusiastic note. Corked or really-poorly-stored bottles apart, it's vary rare to be disappointed by Grange. And I say this after tasting from 40+ examples from the 70s to early-00s. GG
11/7/14, 9:41 PM - Well now, that is interesting. I hadn't really noticed that I preferred Alex in 2013 and Messenger in 2014. But, well, they're two different bottles (actually 4!) tasted a year apart. That's just how it goes. They're both very fine, they just speak with slightly different accents. If they're both in the 2015 show I promise to taste them again and make a definitive ruling!
9/13/14, 3:13 AM - I didn't, but for $20-ish, I'd sure take the chance. I kinda like GV.
7/1/13, 8:42 PM - Yup, definitely a screwcap. And definitely showing very poorly. Who knows?
5/22/13, 8:17 PM - All gone... I did give it a little air (was consumed over 4 hours). Overnight will change the flavours; not convinced it'd do much for the finish...
3/18/13, 11:48 PM - Hi Joe,Fairly early, warm/hot vintage, from what I gather. A lot of southern Australia spent 2005-08 under near drought conditions; the trouble is that sugar ripeness runs ahead of physiological ripeness. Too many wines just start out unbalanced, and never achieve equilibruim. Making anything balanced at 15% is a struggle. 2004 & 2002 were probably the pick of the noughties in SA (a generalisation), until 2010 came along.Graeme
3/31/11, 4:59 PM - Glad you got to taste Vat 1 over its lifespan. Older vintages at CD are expensive, as you discovered; what's good is that they sell the wine in the year of vintage to the mail list at around US$35 a bottle, which changes the economics considerably...
7/7/10, 3:21 PM - In good nick, this is a very hard wine to write notes on! You've done a great job of conveying the jaw-dropping effect this wine has. Grand note indeed! Plus, I'm less miffed at having never tasted 83 Margaux.
5/3/10, 3:58 PM - I guess as people get to taste wines under screwcap with a few years on them, the fears about wines 'remaining youthful' will slowly dissipate. Everything in this tasting under screwcap except the 98 shiraz, I presume.
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