4/3/24, 9:55 AM - I've only tasted the 08 and have a couple left and it's been a while since I tasted my most recent. A really nice wine and incredible QPR, but Kind of hard to find! I would love to try other vintages. I accepted your friend request and saw that your dream wine is 1961 LaTour. I am also looking for a good 1961 but so far have not been able to find any I felt comfortable bidding on at auction to add to my collection and a friend is sending me options. My dad collected a lot of big wines from the 1960's 1970's and 1980's but did not have any 1961 (my birth year). One auction is actually going on now and they do have a 61 LaTour, might be a bit pricey for me and I am more inclined to bite if I can find something I have a collection of (like just about any St. Julien) but if you want I can point you in the direction if you have an interest in this wine at auction. I only learned about it today, ironically.
4/3/24, 1:32 PM - Yes, 1961 LaTour is out of my price range too. I'll keep you in mind for any tastings that I hear about. Curious where you found 2010 Sanctus. I can't seem to find it in any vintage. The only thing I see on winesearcher is a mag of the 2005. I love the label of this wine. I noticed that there are some labels that are different for what seems to be the same wine if you scroll through the photos here on CT.
3/29/24, 3:15 AM - Hey Wine Guy! Crested Butte is awesome. This was my birthday dinner and it is the same kitchen as "Soupçon" but open on different nights (Soupçon I think was not open that night). Definitely need reservations for either one. Awesome way to spend the last night there and my 63rd. Gloria 2015 seemed to travel well! Cheers!
11/24/23, 3:44 AM - OK, I get it now, you have tasted some really monumental wines. Wow! Jealous! 1961 is my birth year, never gotten a taste of one yet. Bucket list stuff. Very cool. And another beautifully written note. Thank you. I especially love the tribute to your mother. Rockstar prose if not poetic.
11/24/23, 3:38 AM - Lucky you-you said you found a case of this gem!The note is beautifully written (are you a poet?!) but I was surprised the score only got to 94. You must have quite a frame of reference! I scored it even higher as you know. I'll have to look at some of your other notes to see what it takes to get a higher score from you. I am probably too inexperienced to really know how to score things right but this was one of the most amazing wines I have ever tasted. So glad you found a good case. Awesome Thanksgiving choice. Curious as to what food you paired with it. Also curious what other vintages of this legendary wine you might have encountered. I recall drinking the 82 back in the day but alas all of those are gone. We do have some of the 1986 and a few other odd old vintages. It's going to take a long time I think for some of the more recent vintages to come around (like '11, '14, and the hopefully eventually legendary '15 and '16 which I bought on release).
10/8/23, 9:05 AM - AmericanStorm-I think we probably have some mutual wine interests. I am a big Bordeaux fan but pretty eclectic and love learning about a bunch of things. We do have one friend in common I noted. Always looking to connect with people when I can to learn more. I'm still pretty inexperienced with Barolo but know many of them require a lot of age. I've been impressed that 2011 seems to drink pretty well "early" and so far have enjoyed the characteristics of that vintage in the select producers I try. Cheers.
6/27/23, 2:33 PM - Gledesma-I would agree, only need to decant to remove the sediment but if you don't mind the funk, you can pop and pour and only filter the last bit. I think we have a couple more and I sure hope they are as good as the one we had last Spring and the one you had.
6/9/23, 4:12 AM - Hi, Canoehead-No, it was not a magnum. It was a 750. I'm posting the subsequent note shortly after I actually opened the bottle. I really liked this right now for how young it seems. Most of the Margaux wines from that vintage drank really well super early but I suspect many are now in an intermediate stage where they will change a lot over the hours after opening. I still am not 100% sure how the wine will age but I suspect quite well for the best of them and this one seems like it may have the structure to do so. I also think even in magnum format, this could be drunk now.
2/14/23, 6:33 AM - Thank you, Glorandsno. My dad’s cellar has been very reliable for these old wines. I often pay homage to him and sometimes include him in the notes but he wasn’t around for this one. Going back to see him again soon, he’s 94! Going to get him to try some of these beauties he has, some are well past peak but still so fun, he doesn’t drink much any more. He’s likely had this since release, perhaps as futures. We don’t know. I had no high expectations for the 75 but I do think it’s possibly an underrated vintage so I was hopeful. My hopes for other old big bdx bottles in his cellar, some of which have made their way to mine over the years keeps going up but I try to temper the expectations. Perhaps 98 is a little generous but part of it was the experience adding a point or two. But if you like old Margaux, this was the real deal. Lucky me! Oldest R-S I’ve ever tried. He has 75-78-82-85 I have 14-15-16-18- I bookended him when i started my cellar. One of the best QPR for top level in Margaux in my opinion, across vintages.
2/14/23, 6:11 AM - I had 89 and 90 long ago. Superb but I didn’t have storage at the time so drank all in the early 90s. Didn’t know much then but loved it. Found some of the 2nd label 90 (segla) at the time which was good but hard to find. With good provenance at a reasonable price I would buy 1989 for sure to complement my dad’s and my combined (bookends of sorts) collection of 75-78-82-85-2014, ‘15, ‘16, ‘18
1/8/23, 5:28 AM - Love this wine in some of the recent strong right bank vintages (2014 and after). Would love to taste the 05 to see how it matures. It’s hard not to drink the ones I have even though I know they are too young! Great QPR! Cheers!!
11/25/22, 3:58 AM - Yes, I don't regret trying one of these young. But, this one is a wine that is almost certainly going to be a legend so I'm holding the rest of mine for at least 5 years if not more. Looking forward to that vertical where we taste 78, 82, 2009, 2010, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2018. if anyone has other vintages to add, let's have a Beychevelle party when we are all retired!
9/4/22, 11:23 AM - Surprised to hear this wine may be so much past peak. It sounds like you have had enough of it to know and may prefer wines earlier in their drinking window as I do. This vintage of GL is rated higher than most by many. We have a couple of these at my dad's cellar and I haven't tasted them trying to drink up his 1978 Bordeaux wines before it's too late. I guess I was waiting. Always have to wonder about bottle variation with this one also.
8/12/22, 3:05 AM - Canoehead-yes, Gloria is usually not one to just sip on, it is much better with food. I had pizza and stuffed mushrooms which worked pretty well!
8/6/22, 12:15 PM - Just poured the last glass and it’s had lots of air last few days. Last glass as expected is the best and shows the potential for this and many 2014 left bank wines. It’s gone from deep purple to deep garnet core with light red in the rim. The big tobacco nose with some wood (oak and cedar) from the first taste has virtually totally given way to much more nuanced aromas. Mint, flowers and some truffle and slight mineral on the nose. A bit of plum and red fruit also still present. Slightly vegetal and masculine if that is really a thing, it’s still a bit closed. Wonderful mouth feel, dark plum and stewed red fruit flavor profile now. Tannins much less prominent than earlier in the week. Finish is almost endless and amazing as the fruit changes gradually to almost a candy feel. A little bit of course sediment on side of bottle. Just fantastic- drink now and enjoy the ride from beginning to end or wait for maturity 5-10 or hold longer-probably is of caliber that could last forever if well cellared and you want to see what it does. Next one for me in about 5 years 95++
5/14/22, 4:08 AM - I tasted one of these early after release and the potential that this could be a future legendary wine was clear even then. I bought quite a lot of this because I discovered Clinet as an affordable but superior Pomerol a few years ago when I was just buying wine for the cellar and the surprisingly stunning 2011 was available. Now I buy it almost every vintage (and have a few back vintages as well) and some of the expert reviews on this vintage of Clinet are just over the top from the barrel tastings, but I have been very hesitant to taste this 2015 again because I'm pretty sure this is one of those opulent 2015 wines that is far from ready. The last time I tried it, it was almost undrinkably young even with many hours in the glass. That said, I have plenty of it so I might check in on one and decant it the day before and see if 24-48 hours in the decanter makes it more approachable. I think you may be right that this will be close to a perfect wine at some point in the future. I'll be happy especially about those magnums I bought if that winds up being the case. I found one bottle of the 2008 and I have one bottle and a magnum of 2009. That was all I could find in those vintages so I haven't tasted them yet but am looking forward to it. I have the 2012 and I like it but personally, I think it's not nearly as good as the 2011 or the 2014 which is now approaching early drinking window (and certainly not really in the same league as the 2005 and 2010). Thanks for the note.
4/30/22, 4:52 AM - WineGuyDelMar I don't have the 2005 LP, but I'm sure it's magnificent headed towards legendary. Some of the 2005 Bordeaux wines I've tasted are so great already that it's hard to be patient!
3/6/22, 12:15 PM - WINE GUY Del Mar-I'VE NEVER TASTED THE 05 GISCOURS. Hook me up? Lol!DECANTING QUEEN- Interesting question. It could be that the travel and short time between that and opening at altitude and the cold weather in the tetons had an impact. The prior bottle in Tahiti back in the fall was substantially better, but from a different source. It probably will benefit from further aging either way. Thanks.
3/12/22, 4:19 AM - OMeara-Very interesting, thank you for sharing this. Interesting that the wine store in Vail has some VERY big wines at big prices. Even in Telluride, I was surprised at the selection they had (and actually fair prices). I guess the demand remains high in spite of these issues.
3/20/22, 6:36 AM - Decanting Queen-very interesting. Thanks.
10/28/21, 3:14 AM - WineGuyDelMar-will keep an eye out for 09 and 10 Monbousquet. I've been back filling with some of my favorite wines in those two great vintages but don't have that one.
11/6/21, 11:41 AM - WineGuyDelMar-I can possibly order 2010 Monbousquet from our state store in PA for $100. Do you think it is worth considering?
11/7/21, 9:49 AM - WineGuyDelMar-I got some canon la gaffeliere 2010 so I'm going to get a chance to try some 2010 St. Emilion. I have tasted many 2010 left bank and some pomerols but I'm not actually sure if I have tasted any 2010 St. Emilion. I've heard that some of the 2009 St. Emilion wines are overly ripe and "overdone" which has been a criticism of 2015 as well. Many people seem to think 2016 is like 2010 and 2015 is like 2009 in many ways. Time will tell as these four vintages come of age we will see. My other concern about the state store is provenance whereas other sources are often much more reliable.
11/7/21, 9:56 AM - Sastewart-I actually do have a bit of the 2015 Tour St. Christophe including 2 magnums and I believe 6 bottles left. I really loved that wine on release and bought quite a bit but drank too much of it early liking it so well, so much so that I drank a few of them and gave a few away which may have been a mistake. However, I buy that wine in almost every vintage now and I suspect the 2016 and 2018 TsC will wind up being even better. I also love Barde Haut and have several bottles of the 2015 and one magnum of it also. Again, I suspect the 2016 may wind up being better but I am so low on space at this point, I have to be selective and haven't bought too much of the 2016 St. Emilion unfortunately. But those two wines are some of the best QPRs in all of bordeaux in my opinion, so I agree with you 100% to recommend them to people.
11/7/21, 11:30 AM - WineGuyDelMar-agree that 2009 is an awesome vintage and I've tasted a few of these from the left bank and also from Pomerol so I see no reason why St. Emilion would not also be superb. I just haven't had a chance to taste the 09 in that appelation but look forward to it.
10/24/21, 4:28 AM - WineGuyDelMar-agree with you that it is worth even more than $50 if you really love St. Julien. I believe I got it for $43 as futures (also did the 18 and 19 same way) and I think it might be hard to find the 16 now for less than $60 now so that's why I say buy it every year as future. Even if you are older like me, this one has the advantage of being approachable earlier (like this on at 5 years), is even fun to taste on release and yet it is always best after about 8 years and the best vintages can age for decades. We still have both the 1982 and 1985 which were awesome in their heyday and although more old-school in style and fruit is fading of course, these are still excellent and fun to drink even today. By the way, I didn't mention the 2018 in my recent note on the 2016, but if you look at my note on that one, you'll see that I"m predicting that in a few years, it will likely be even better than the great 2016. Time will tell, I'm looking forward to a post-retirement party in 5-10 years when I get a bunch of people together and do a vertical of all the vintages I have in my cellar: 82-85-09-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19 and any others anyone might have around and wants to show up with!! I am betting on the 09 and 16 to be the winners which is why those are the ones I bought in magnum format. Cheers!!
10/28/21, 3:12 AM - WINEGUYDELMARYes, Gloria for left bank "every day" drinking at a sensible price. Of course, I like the bigger St. Julien wines too. I adore Becheyvelle which I think punches far above its price point and of course the Leovilles and Du Cru and many others. Another great one is St. Pierre. I also love St. Emilion and was a huge fan of Cheval Blanc and Pavie back in the day but those have gone parabolic in prices so I tend to buy Grand Cru Classe "B" like Pavie Macquin and Canon la Gaffeliere for example and in big vintages wines like Tour St. Christophe is proving to be my go to "QPR" on the right bank. I did buy 2015 Monbousquet and have a 2018 to try as well.
9/21/21, 4:12 PM - Doing a Coravin taste right now. So far right on pouring seems open and dense. Will post notes but this and other vintages (15, 16) have been great QPR. On first blush your note seems right on target.
8/28/21, 4:15 AM - I think patience will be rewarded on this wine. I'd say five rather than 2 for my next one but it's hard to wait! Love your notes and your dream wine statement, very clever!!
7/20/21, 5:52 PM - Just a little bit of sediment at the end. Tells me it is just entering the very early drinking window. Yummy!
7/23/21, 4:36 AM - I'd be drinking wine: This is not that easy wine to find in the US, that's true. But, I think you can find it in the US. I got mine from Zacky's and they have futures of this one almost every vintage I believe. I'm sure it's not the only source, but I bought the 2009 and 2010 from them and I have had good luck with their wines arriving with good Provenance. Right now, I do see the 2019 and 2020 futures available on Millesima.
8/8/21, 5:03 AM - I'd rather be drinking wine-I was thinking about the 2019 and 2020 also but I'm not sure I will live long enough to get them to that perfect window! Like you, I like them when they hit that early to mid drinking window when the balance is perfect. I did pick up the 2016 which sounds very promising. I like your profile and description of your point of view. Cheers!
8/8/21, 5:09 AM - KL Winelover-Enjoy one! IF you like St. Julien wines in the early drinking window, you will love this one. Your wine cellar looks awesome. We have some interesting wines in common!
8/4/21, 1:02 PM - Thanks, Eric. It looks like they updated and merged things now to correct the name. Anyway, I think the 2018 is a winner for the price and sounds like the 2019 might be even better from what I have read.
7/17/21, 10:35 AM - Purpletooth-First of all-GREAT handle! And great Dream wine and comment about it!And thanks for your comment. I do love St. Julien and Gloria is a classic as I said and buy it in virtually every vintage and my dad still has the 82 and 85 which remarkably had withstood the test of time. I also adore St. Pierre though I have more limited experience drinking it. I do have some of the 2009 and 2010 as well as 2012 and 2016. I've tried the first 3 of those vintages and believe I have posted notes on at least the 09, but have not tried the 2016 as it would seem to be a very serious infanticide. The 2009 St. Pierre is a phenomenal wine, easily 2nd growth quality (as opposed to its 4th growth classification) and should age incredibly well. I have high hopes for the 2010 and 2016 as well. It's looking like the 2019 is getting high ratings from the gurus so might be worth considering. Perhaps the 2020 also but not sure I'll live long enough to see it to maturity!
7/18/21, 7:41 AM - I'm not very familiar with Lagrange but interested in trying it so got an 18 to try. My dad was a collector of Du Cru Beaucaillou as well as Gruaud Larose so I've had the 81 and 82 and he still has magnums of the 82 and 89 Gruaud and 85 DuCru and some of the 86 Gruaud waiting for the right occasion. Your message prompted me to do a Coravin taste of the 2010 St. Pierre last night. Still too young but approachable and certainly coming along and may well rival the 2009 in time. I'll open the bottle and give it 3-4 hours in the near future. I still have a good number of those.
5/8/21, 4:44 AM - Chatters-Thanks for the comment and I agree, I'm now very pleased I bought the 14 but I am also glad I bought several other vintages. Never met a Chevalier I didn't love-just love the style of the wine, but I think the 10, 15 and 16 will need time. Also looking forward to the 18 and 19.
4/24/21, 12:29 PM - Tasting this over a few days. Good QPR. I see you have an interest in Southern Rhone. Will post some notes after I drink a little more of this.
4/19/21, 5:39 PM - I had a similar experience a while back. Probably it's just too young. I enjoyed reading some of your tasting notes and we seem to have a lot in common (both wines in common and inability to resist buying more!)
4/19/21, 6:00 PM - 14 is one vintage of Ducru Beaucaillou I didn't get yet. I do have a good number of 14 left bank and I think they are underrated and will be excellent with time and drink earlier than other recent vintages. Sounds like Ducru B. 14 was a great choice you made. I do have DCB in quite a number of older and younger vintages. My dad's favorite wine so I've gotten to taste some older vintages of it and "inherited" a few from his cellar. 2019 futures are relatively good prices so worth considering given what I've heard about the quality of it.
4/7/21, 10:33 AM - DrBad, I have to look back at the notes I have from the visit but I think maybe we tasted the St. Antonin Cotes du Rhone in the 2015 vintage. Everything we tasted there was fabulous and the tour was wonderful as well. We were on a tour with "Le Vin a la Bouche" and also went to Domaine de Boisrenard which we also loved. I am a huge fan of Cuvee Chaupin from Janasse.
4/7/21, 7:42 AM - I also tasted this wine this summer and posted notes. I agree with you like all the 78 wines that are of good quality and provenance this was surprisingly great and I look forward to tasting it again next weekend when I visit my dad (his handle is "Stopstealingmywine"
4/7/21, 7:30 AM - I agree that the 2010 is finally hitting stride. I think it will be a longer lasting wine than the 2009 but both are superb now but still far from peak in my very amateur opinion. I suspect the 2015 and 2016 will be analagous in 10 years but likely will be even better than the 09/10. Will be fun to do a 82-85-09-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19 vertical in a decade or so.
4/2/21, 6:47 AM - Soundinbetween-I've never tasted a vintage of Beychevelle I didn't like. St. Julien is my favorite appelation and for me, a good bottle of Beychevelle is 2nd growth quality for sure. Of course, we expect bottle variation for the oldies but I am going back to Iowa in a couple of weeks and the 1978 Beychevelle is on my to do list once again while I'm there! I might bring one back so maybe you can stop by and drink it with me sometime!
4/1/21, 3:12 PM - Manukey-We got this as part of our deal at WINEWORKS in New Jersey. I don't know if it is still available at this time but yes, I certainly would buy it again for this price (and I did!).
3/13/21, 9:02 AM - We have a bottle of this I just discovered. I have no idea where it came from! Sounds like it's great! Thanks. My wife is a champagne fanatic!
2/27/21, 5:12 AM - There is also a site for this wine under the same name .. Grand Cru but no tasting notes there. I believe that is the same wine.
2/27/21, 5:11 AM - Cellartracker has now put up a site for Petit Ducru 2018 so there will be tasting notes there also for this wine (the new name for this wine as of this vintage)
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