1/15/24, 8:45 PM - Nope, you are definitely not alone. '19 was my last. The '14 Elysian was $160. As you noted, there are too many alternatives to be had, especially when you are pushing into the $250+ stratosphere.
1/17/24, 8:02 AM - If anyone is interested on some of the backdrop on how we got to this place with Beckstoffer fruit, this was a very good article I read years back....actually becoming a bit dated now (2015), but I'm sure it's only become worse. https://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/at-what-price-to-kalon
6/20/23, 6:01 PM - Thanks for the post Sonodoc! Planning to pop one of these on Saturday. Any decant recommendations?
1/28/23, 2:51 PM - Agreed gents. I too passed on Myriad after almost a decade of buyer loyalty. Schrader being another. The prices in Napa are getting out of control and at some point we have to just stop feeding the pricing frenzy. Cheers!
1/7/23, 10:18 AM - Thanks for the review REBS. One of my Top 5 wines of all time. Did you pop n pour this or any decant recommendations for its current phase of life? I'm due to revisit one of my other bottles. Fellow Chicago wine drinker here and store locally @ Domaine.
1/5/23, 8:46 AM - Agree with all the comments here and in a similar boat while looking at my allocation today….particularly in light of what used to be $175 per for ‘19 now being $225-$275. Although its selling on the secondary for $450-$499 (almost 3x) so you can see why they may want a piece of that. If anything, curious to try the inaugural To Kalon, but surprised not to see any early CT reviews on it from some of the usual suspects.
11/17/22, 2:42 PM - WBW - I can already see the next link "Wine weekend in Chicago". Appreciate the review on the '01 and glad to hear its in line with expectations. I have a special Sauternes for you to try when you finally book the trip over.
9/13/22, 6:21 PM - Thanks for the review Beeck10! Any decant recommendations?
9/7/22, 5:36 AM - WBW - did you feel this was $220+ worth? Price seems a bit steep based on inaugural release & early reviews.
9/5/22, 7:07 PM - Thanks for the post Lite! Any recommendations on decant time or pnp?
9/5/22, 7:04 PM - Appreciate the review. Any decant time? Prior review indicated a 9-hr decant 😳
8/25/22, 1:55 PM - Just picked up 4 bottles locally Lite. Will let you know a soon as I pop one. Thanks for the review / decant recommendation 😉
8/18/22, 6:25 PM - WBW - get to Chicago already and we’ll open another and try on pnp!
8/18/22, 6:13 PM - Fair assessment on the time frame. Drinking the remaining 1/3 bottle on Day 3 and probably its best showing.
8/2/22, 8:06 PM - Thanks for the post. Popped a ‘17 Materium from a .375 last week which was also feeling shut down even after a 1-2 hr decant. Surprised me being a ‘17.
8/2/22, 8:02 PM - Thanks for the review WBW! Amazing you had a chance to try so soon. Eventually I’ll lose my restraint and pop one of these. Hope all is well.
4/22/22, 9:00 PM - WBW....love seeing you out in Napa hitting all the cult wineries! Although these need some time...head to Chitown and we'll open some Bella Oaks together my friend!
4/22/22, 9:20 PM - Haha…don’t believe the hype. Best big city in the US! I was fortunate to get into Bella Oaks early and went deep. Get on the list now and going to hold you to getting here (preferably this summer)!
4/8/22, 5:24 PM - Thanks for reviewing. Any decant or straight out of bottle?
4/4/22, 3:51 PM - WBW!! Now we're talking! Love that you just went for it on this. I also thought '18s were closed off, but hearing some have been more approachable lately. Thanks for posting a review of this so early on. When you eventually make it over to Chicago, we'll have to open a GTO. Hope all is well.
4/4/22, 4:38 PM - Haha! I was going to ask if Henry brought the GTO from his aspiring collection. I have no doubt he drank over 2/3 of it. I think his handle should be ‘Wine Fish’.
3/30/22, 5:41 PM - pnp or decanted?
1/30/22, 2:29 PM - Lite, enjoyed my first of a dozen of these last week for the first time and agree it's ridiculously good QPR and very enjoyable. The only wine I can think of that may have rivaled this QPR was Saxum 'Gratias', which was given FREE to Saxum's members in 2017. Now that wine on the secondary goes for over $150!
1/4/22, 7:33 PM - Cristal...any insight on how the 2020 vintage faired for Aubert in light of the 'fires/smoke'? I can't imagine the label would risk the reputation, but curious if you plan to buy as usual with the upcoming release? Personally, I wish every winery would just be upfront and address it as part of the release knowing it's on everyone's minds.
1/4/22, 8:06 PM - Yeah, on the list w/ Myriad too and just posted a similar comment to Csimm under the '20 Elysian. In light of his original March '21 barrel sampling to the recent Jan '22, it doesn't reassure me given all the 'unknowns' that can reveal themselves post bottling - particularly since he sensed a few were 'not right'. It's actually off-putting that some reputable wineries are not addressing the proverbial 'elephant in the room', unless it will be part of the actual release emails....which we shall see. Suspect it will be similar to '17 in some ways....sure there will be some good ones, but as a whole, not really missing out by cutting back this round.
1/4/22, 7:52 PM - Thanks for posting Csimm. Not sure if I feel more or less confident about buying and just how deep to go. Given how sizable the impact of the fires/smoke was, particularly with Napa, I wish every winery would at least address it with their members on release and share their perspective around why they are confident proceeding (ie. picked early, dropped 70% of the bad fruit, testing they conducted,, etc.) knowing its on members minds. Shall I go as far as saying even consider cutting the cost on this year's prices? Ha, funny I know!..c'mon man, we're talking Napa, price goes upwards (good or smoke tainted vintages).
12/26/21, 3:07 PM - Thanks for the review and decant time. Looking forward to trying one of mine, as I've yet to pull the cork on any. Curious, what was the total consumption time following the 2 hr decant?
12/2/21, 3:11 PM - Thanks for the review! Thinking of popping one of these. Did you decant this at all?
11/19/21, 8:23 PM - Max - had this tonight and echo your review. Spot on.
9/13/21, 4:53 PM - G & T - going to likely pop a bottle this Thurs for a guys dinner event. Would you change anything on your decant approach or stay true to your original aeration recipe? Thanks for the post!
8/18/21, 5:48 PM - Thanks for the review on this. Apparently I need to open one of these soon, as I haven't yet. Curious where the '18 Maybach fell in the overall line up for you?
8/3/21, 9:35 PM - Lite - how do I get invited to this dinner and which bottles above can I bring to the battle?
7/31/21, 9:22 PM - Agreed Mark. This easily needs a 5 hr decant, or better yet, 6-8 more yrs in bottle. Lite, maybe try pouring the next glass after breakfast and try around dinner.
8/1/21, 7:00 AM - Mark…or you can get an iSommelier (by iFavine) and the 4-5 hrs can be 4-5 min! How much counter space you got left over there for more wine gadgets Lite?
8/1/21, 7:19 AM - I’m probably going to pull the trigger on the iSomm and will report back. The 90% pure oxygen infusion seems effective and there are too many times we get together and realize a wine probably needed 2-3 hrs more decant time and the wine isn’t as good as it could be. If I can make that 2-3 min and soften the tannins, etc….it will be worth it’s weight in gold.
7/2/21, 7:46 PM - For me and several others, the ‘17 McD was the least fav. There was a green pepper characteristic and felt it lacked a finish. Personally, I was surprised by the outcome, but calling it what it was in a blind line up.
7/31/21, 5:53 AM - Thanks Lite. VHR was decanted for 5 hrs if I recall correctly. Definitely 4-6. Just popped a ‘15 Spottswoode last night thinking it would give me something on Pnp, but nope. Coiled up and hissing. It too needed at least that. Which got us talking about the “isommelier”, which turns hours of decant time into minutes. Curious if anyone has played around with that thing? I’d be curious to open a ‘16 VHR for 5 hrs and then put another in the isommelier for 5 minutes and do a blind.
7/24/21, 7:46 PM - Lite - can’t wait for the Bordeaux experience in October and appreciate all of the background assistance thus far. Most of us have that “ah-ha” bottle of wine that showed us wine can be something so much more than we ever imagined. VCC was that bottle for me when it came to Bordeaux wines as it was the first time I really understood the true meaning of ‘velvety wine’ and just how good merlot could really be. Amazing wine and I also love the historical significance of the ‘pink’ capsule to help quickly identify relevant customers.
7/17/21, 3:55 PM - Lite - how was the trip to Bordeaux? Heading there in mid October and would love to get some of your insights/recommendations. What’s the best way to DM you?
7/7/21, 4:46 PM - How long did you decant? Thanks!
7/3/21, 2:47 PM - I didn’t try it on pop n pour, but took the advice of other CT reviewers and gave it a healthy 2-3 hour decant and it was drinking beautifully. If you have multiple, I would give one a go so you can enjoy it throughout its evolution. If not, don’t worry, plenty of yrs ahead. Great juice.
7/1/21, 6:42 AM - Agree with your assessment to give this ‘17 some decant. Had a .375 of the ‘17 & ‘18 side by side and surprisingly the ‘17 was more wound up, but classic Napa Cabernet in style where the ‘18 was more approachable, lush with dark blue black fruits and chocolate. Both excellent and IMO one of the top Napa cabs - particularly with regards to quality, consistency and longevity. Cheers
6/15/21, 1:44 PM - A lot of Aubert chards are great on release too (depending on your preference of course). Always enjoy their Eastside Chardonnay early on; lots of acidity & minerality to balance the fruit.
5/11/21, 8:45 PM - Nice review and couldn’t agree more Yack Man. I think I bought 2 bottles direct from the winery, and then after having it, subsequently bought 11 more on the secondary. This and the ‘15 are great, along with the QPR, but the ‘16 is just stellar.
4/28/21, 9:09 AM - Thanks for the review CSIMM! Did you just pnp and get right into it? Sounds like I need to try one of mine, although I did have the fortunate pleasure of enjoying this with Patrice & Samantha at a local restaurant members event (pre-pandemic).
4/28/21, 5:38 PM - Glad I grabbed some more on the secondary. CSimm is known to have a RP like effect on the market when he gives a rave review!! I’ll pop one soon.
2/26/21, 8:01 PM - Thanks for the review and decant time recommendation. Always one of my favorite Auberts and I heard the ‘19 was going to be one of the best vintages yet of Eastside. Can’t wait to pop one.
2/5/21, 4:39 PM - Let me know if I missed the zoom on this. Otherwise, I would love to be in on this as well gents!
2/3/21, 8:43 PM - Mark - I concur with Winegeek - awesome bottle of '13 Napa mountain wine. I had a few bottles late last year from my original winery purchase and have been buying up as much as I can on the secondary (unfortunately at a premium). I think I've added 4 mags and close to a case of 750s since that time, if that's any sort of endorsement. Highly recommend.
1/27/21, 2:11 PM - Agree Mark...had this last June and seemed like it needed a lot more time in bottle, so also curious on the decant.
1/27/21, 3:33 PM - Appreciate the additional intel. That Coravin bottle might be ready now for PNP. I find that with Coravin’ing some wound up wines... a super slow ox process occurs which can help speed things along. Let me know once you revisit.
1/8/21, 10:49 AM - AG - surprised at how different your experience (rating) was vs. others on this wine. I have 2 bottles from release, so I’ll need to try this soon with a filet and circle back. Thanks for posting!
12/13/20, 7:51 PM - Yack, if you can, get your hands on a bottle of their ‘13 Veeder. 100% Cabernet vs the meritage w/ Howell. The ‘13 Veeder is excellent and showing extremely well now with plenty of life ahead. I’ve been scooping up as many 750s and mags as I can on the secondary after drinking several this year. Sub $150 - it’s a highly recommend/buy.
12/10/20, 8:03 PM - Air Guitar - thanks for the post. This has been my favorite Wren Hop wine to date and still sitting on several. Just curious if there was something driving the point drop since your last go with this?
12/1/20, 7:00 PM - Love the analogy! Hope I experience the full technicolor when I dust one of mine off.
11/22/20, 6:55 AM - Definitely! This is sort of a whiskey lovers cabernet. Made me want to be sitting next to a roaring campfire on a cold night. The oak does give this wine some interest / character and can be a nice change of pace as long as you know that upfront and plan accordingly - caught me by surprise as I hadn’t seen that referenced. Going to need a lot of integration time....I’m curious to see if the other 1/2 bottle is today. Thanks for commenting - Cheers!
11/22/20, 7:18 PM - 7 hr decant was the right call Agelvis! This needs a lot of decant time if drinking early. This is a completely different wine on day 2...in a good way. The oak has completely moved from the front to now being part of a well integrated and long lasting finish. So much more notable acidity and dark red & blue fruits are present on the pallet with notes of chocolate and dark bing cherry. The wine is much more harmonious and has completely redeemed itself for me. 96+ with upside over time.
11/19/20, 4:14 PM - So good for the price and always dependable. I posted a comment on the 18s which are equally as great. Certainly the top NV blend in the Mike Smith stables. Enjoy!
11/9/20, 7:35 PM - Yack - nice to hear. I thought the '18 Quivet also showed very well out of the gate. On a blind, some thought it was so well integrated that it was drinking like a 4-5 year old wine. I felt like the 16s started this way early on too...open for business and then started shutting down after a year or so. Only time will tell.
11/11/20, 6:33 AM - Thanks for the intel Jazz. Seems like the consensus is that the higher end single varietals need more time in bottle but the NVs are approachable for now. I intentionally bought extras of the ‘18 Carter La Bam, Verdad, OG and Carter Carter to try on release...so I’ll be sure to post something on those as well as I experiment.
11/18/20, 7:03 PM - Had my 1st bottle of this less than a week after delivery with just a pnp. Thought it was excellent and I would put the Becklyn at the top of the Mike Smith NVs. As Yack mentioned... ‘18 is less sweet and there is a more savory characteristic on this wine that I love mixed with the blue/black fruit. May have been the bottle I had... but I think you would be hard pressed to find a $65 dollar cab that had the length of finish this did. Certainly never disappoints for the QPR.
11/18/20, 4:56 PM - Agree with Csimm here on the mood implications and when I think of classic ‘food friendly’ wines...I think higher acidity wines like most anything out of Italy. Cabernets wouldn’t probably be at the top of my list in a general food friendly sense - unless we’re talking foods higher in fat content like red meats & cheeses. Also, higher alcohol wines are arguably great for aging (ie. Port) especially if there’s sufficient tannins and residual sugars, etc. Well JD sprays 100 pt ratings, I do respect LPB reviews (99 pts here)...so no doubt this is a 95+ bottle of well made ‘Napa style Cabernet. I think that is also substantiated by the fact that at the time of this post there may only be 3 bottles on the secondary at double the release price. Carter is like Aubert...Napa style....and one needs to anticipate and rate it that way...because it’s never going to be Bdx or white burg.
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